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London teeth arms

#1
I've got a friend in London who is keen to join a teeth arm unit.

(... and no it's not me!)

He's thinking about Londons (sound good, but mundane deployed role) RY (bit too... well... NBC) and HAC (I thought they were impressive in Basra).

Re: RY - any comments on the NBC role - does it deserve the bad reputation?
Re: HAC. Just wanted to know what positions are about apart from Sabre Squadrons.
Do they have a sub unit that has a normal infantry role?
I read elsewhere that the gun troop is re-training to liasion parties - any more on this?

All advice much appreciated!
 
#2
RY is soon to "alter" its role. We will still have to do a bit of NBC to keep our DRAC masters happy but to be fair its not much more in depth than the ITD. The aim is to keep the training bill low and concentrate on Recce. Also we are changing from supporting the CR2 Egts to CVRT.
 
#3
Charlie_Cong said:
I've got a friend in London who is keen to join a teeth arm unit.

(... and no it's not me!)

He's thinking about Londons (sound good, but mundane deployed role)

Erm - he wants to join a teeth arm unit, but would find being deployed as an infantry soldier 'mundane'......he hasn't got teeth arm confused with RAMC / RADC has he?
 
#4
Charlie_Cong said:
I've got a friend in London who is keen to join a teeth arm unit.

(... and no it's not me!)

He's thinking about Londons (sound good, but mundane deployed role) RY (bit too... well... NBC) and HAC (I thought they were impressive in Basra).
Is it you or your 'friend' who thinks the London's deployed role is "mundane"?

Also, would appreciate your, or 'his', reasoning behind this statement.
 
#6
London_Jock said:
but would find being deployed as an infantry soldier 'mundane'
I think that translates into northern English as ..... being a sentry on a gate for 6 months as piss poor boring
 
#7
polar said:
London_Jock said:
but would find being deployed as an infantry soldier 'mundane'
I think that translates into northern English as ..... being a sentry on a gate for 6 months as urine poor boring

Which is what was done one third of the time - the rest was as infantry a role as any light role infantry unit out there.

But let's not turn this into another Londons thread - the point is why does this person want to joint a 'teeth arm' if he finds the infantry mundane? And lets face it, the TA Cav don't get much CR2 or CVRT time either....
 
#8
Apologies - No offence intended but here's my *personal* opinion.

Many roles in theatre are pretty mundane, and the TA inf don't have a monopolyat all. Yet as has been discussed at length the TA is being deployed a lot, and will continue to do so. If you're going to put so much committment in with a relatively high chance of being called upon to deploy for 6 months you should think carefuly about what role its going to be.

As far as I can tell the majority of the TA Coys have been used for force protection. I could cite TA Inf who haven't but I think in the balance of things most have. Given the choice *I* would personally rather join a unit that is more likely to get an AO and patrol it (as the HAC have done) in preference to guarding BAS and handing out passes in Div HQ.

I don't mean to disparage the job - we're all on the same side. But if you have a choice of units you may as well choose wisely.

As for LondonJock's post - All of the inf would love to charge off and do proper "Infantry" attacks. But the chances are that its not going to happen any time soon and that, when it does, formed TA Coys are not going to be doing it. Its not an ARAB thing. As in Telic 1 - by and large the Armd Inf were doing high-intensity while the Light Inf secured LoCs, guarded prisoners etc.

So that's my personal opinion. He can take it or leave it, as can you.
 
#9
Hello all.

I will try to be very diplomatic. If your friend wants to join a teeth arm then he has a wide choice in London, RAC, Engineers, Artillery and the PBI. Each has its merits, the choice is his. Why not use London Soldier to go out and make an informed one.

The London Regiment did stag on in Basra that is true, BUT we also got blown up and shot at. We also did more than our fair share of cutting about. There are members of the regiment who will live with their scars for life, so for the sake of a well informed and reasoned thread, check fire, make your apologies or find another Regiment to wind up.
 
#10
There's also 10 Coy 4 PARA up in White City - they're a good bunch, but a bit limited as realistically you're restricted to moving around in the same Company.
 
#12
I don't want this turn into a Londons thread or a TA v Reg thread.

Neither, I'll say again, do I want to offend or denigrate any unit or individuals.

The choice is his, and he can phone/visit units as he likes. Since he doesn't use ARRSE I posted to ask for your thoughts. If you think this thread is a waste of time then ignore it. But if you do have opinions on the following I'd appreciate it.

Re: RY - any comments on the NBC role - does it deserve the bad reputation?
Re: HAC. Just wanted to know what positions are about apart from Sabre Squadrons.
Do they have a sub unit that has a normal infantry role?
I read elsewhere that the gun troop is re-training to liasion parties - any more on this?
 
#13
Re HAC.

The serving unit now claim to have "Patrol" squadrons rather than "Sabre" Squadrons. Its role is artillery/aircraft OP/long range patrolling. My recollection of that kindnof work is yolu need to have some pretty good infantry skills and artillery fire control. If you don't want to do that you can be a signaller, bang on the drums or join the band -unless you are an old fart in wehich case you can be a special constabule or be a Pikeman oe Musketeerer.

But don't forget, its not what you do, its who you do it with. The HAC are unique. Culture is a bit different to the rest of the British Army but its good fun.

If you are seriously interested send me a PM.
 
#16
Please excuse me if I'm being daft.

I always believed that the patrols/sabre/blade type chappies in the HAC were the only teeth arms and that the rest were support (chefs/sigs/MT/stores). How did they manage to get their own AO?

I'd heard that they were doing "bladey" type stuff, up Al Amarah way, but did they do more than this?

This isn't a windup, it's a gen question.
 
#17
This site is amazing. Within twenty minutes of posting I got answers to all my questions, offers to PM for more info and people itching for a scrap.

Kind of sums ARRSE up doesn't it... beauty.

Thanks very much, I'll pass it on.
 
#18
Charlie_Cong said:
Apologies - No offence intended but here's my *personal* opinion.
No offence taken.

I though maybe you had some valid points, but sadly you have followed and old journalistic trick of taking a handful of individual 'facts', then added in all sorts of personal anecdotes, applied a little amateur 'analysis', and finally concocted a new version of 'history' which bares no relation to the real 'truth' and more importantly, bares ZERO relevence to the future.

1. Please tell me where and when the HAC had an AO - ie, their 'own' AO. Being attached to somebody else's AO, to make up the numbers does not count. If in your book it does, move on to 2.

2. Try and do a proper analysis of ALL TA inf units deployed to Iraq over the past 2+ years and decide whether they have only been "guarding BAS and handing out passes in Div HQ". Maybe some of the Londons pulled the short straw, but somebody's got to do it. Maybe it will be the HAC next time round stagging on at Shaibah - whilst the Londons get a nice little job attached to 16 AA in Afghanistan chasing al-Quaida!!!! If that's what gets your friend's pecker up.

Charlie_Cong said:
So that's my personal opinion. He can take it or leave it, as can you.
Since I have the choice, then I'll leave it.

merkator
 
#19
Surely units get deployed in different roles all the time? Purely because Unit A has drawn six months of stag while Unit B has been in the thick of - that doesn't mean that next time, their roles will be the same. Next time, Unit B might draw the short straw.

smithie
 
#20
merkator said:
- whilst the Londons get a nice little job attached to 16 AA in Afghanistan chasing al-Quaida!!!! If that's what gets your friend's pecker up.

[merkator
Worth remembering that the Londons had two companies on exercise with 2 PARA / 16 Bde - EAGLES STRIKE - in the summer....
 

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