London riot plans

Aren't these the school kids who have been bunking off on Fridays. You think an armed response is proportionate?
Ask the average Londoner what they think of these middle class liberal do-gooders.
 
Similar taught to UK tactical cyclists.
Never did that course, I think I would have been good at it.

My ex once called me a cycle path.

Maybe I misheard?
 
Never did that course, I think I would have been good at it.

My ex once called me a cycle path.

Maybe I misheard?
A good 4 days of cycling, quite hairy though with plenty of tumbles. I’m not a regular cyclist though.
 
The California voting model.
Exactly. Despite the crusty students blocking roads in America and Britain, the left have been in decline since Ronald Reagan drove a stake through the heart of Soviet communism. Tony Blair realised this when he took over the British Labour party in the 1990s.

As well as shifting Labour to the centre left, confiscating Michael Foot's donkey jacket and forcing Gordon Brown to wash his hair more often, Tony set about changing the world, or at least the bit of it he was responsible for.

The current Labour party despise Tony Blair for purging the party of the hard left but they're not stupid. They acknowledge that Blair was the most electorally successful leader in the party's history. Before Blair, no Labour government served more than one full term in office. New Old Labour will emulate the policies that kept Blair and Brown in power longer than any other Labour leaders and longer than most Tory leaders.

I think there's also a genuine and justified fear among the left about the rise of so-called "nationalist" politics in Europe and the USA - who wasn't surprised by Donald Trump's victory? There has been one financial crisis after another in the Eurozone. Having a common currency among countries setting their own economic and monetary policies will never work. Greece suffered a catastrophe a few years ago and it looks like Italy is heading the same way.

Add to that the relentless attempts by the Germans to offload their immigrant problem onto smaller countries, the looming end of EU largesse when Britain stops paying in and a "politburo" style of European government where an unelected cabal of civil servants issue directives that can't be challenged by the European or by national parliaments and you might as well buy shares in companies that make jackboots.
 
From my point of view this is the most likely outcome of a labour term in office. redefining "Mass immigration" to ensure more votes for them. It's worked well in the US for decades. The trouble is, and I doubt that this will stop them, the strain that this will place of the beloved welfare state will cause it to collapse.

We are already on the back foot, severely, with a population that has had an additional 6 million new subjects in the past 20 years, not including natural growth. 6 million immigrants in 20 years (adjusted to take into account those that left again). We certainly have not trained the doctors and nurses required to support so many new people, we're not building new hospitals (actually closing them) and nobody is building millions of new houses either.

The only outcome is a housing market that few can afford to be in, high rents, low wages and guess what, because there has been no time to train new medical staff to cope, we need to import more migrants to work in the NHS to support them all.

And the cycle will continue until people wake up and realise that this is a legitimate issue that must be discussed because if the current approach to dissenting view is adhered to much longer (censorship), the people with legitimate concerns will be (are being) pushed into the fringes and underground only to surface at some point in the future in a very different form.

If the political left would just be able to have a discussion about this without immediately getting angry and resorting to name calling, censorship, deplatforming and violence then a solution might be found in which a compromise could be reached.

I was just mildly attacked on another thread about the same sort of thing and it made me think "this is the exact reason that things have gone so far in the wrong direction, any dissenting voices are stamped out before being considered.


People are sick of Political correctness, they are sick of mass immigration, they are sick not having a voice in how their country is run and they are sick of being told what to think by far left activists in the labour party and a centre left Tory party but most of all, they are sick of being told what to think by media driven clones who have manufactured opinions on everything and not a single original thought of their own.

This is why I urge people to not vote Tory or Labour, if your a lefty, vote lib dem and if your anything else, vote ukip because only then can we take seats in parliment away from labour and the tories and force them water down extreme legislation, prevent them from forming a majority government and challenge them in debate in the commons.

Problem is....... if you dilute the vote, as in voting for cnuts like the lib- dems, or U-kip, or the EDL, you might let in twats like Corbyn.......

Hard choice....... how can you tell the twats you voted for, you didn't really vote for them, but voted against the even worse twats ?
 
Yet they still vote for them to run the place.
Wrong. London politics is more complicated than that.
Put simply, it is devided between those who vote for the liberal elite. Those (gimmigrants) who vote for whoever promises them the most. And the outer boroughs who vote tory.
 

ancienturion

LE
Book Reviewer
Getting back to those deliberately disrupt life for others, I have seen several pictures (moving and still) of them. The children seem to be the usual crowd who only protest/demonstrate because it means time off school. They get very upset when somebody informs them that they are doing wrong because all their teachers/parents tell them they are wonderful and can do no wrong.
I notice that those who are disrupting traffic and emergency services are all protesting about the possibility of climate change and the need to do something about it immediately but they wear mandmade fibres, use plastics and, I can only assume, are the sort of people who have paved driveways at home. Paved driveways cause rain to run into drains instead of soaking into the ground and it takes very little effort to have some form of permeable driveway.
While writing about the aspect of pollution, how did most of them get there? I'm pretty sure they did not walk and are quite happy about increasing pollution when they travel.
In a way they remind me of the "Ban-the-Bomb" Easter marches. Lots of well meaning people who have no intention of allowing the problems to interfere with their own lives.
 
Problem is....... if you dilute the vote, as in voting for cnuts like the lib- dems, or U-kip, or the EDL, you might let in twats like Corbyn.......

Hard choice....... how can you tell the twats you voted for, you didn't really vote for them, but voted against the even worse twats ?
Two rounds of voting, a c***off if you like.
 
How do you judge if someone is the sort of person to have a paved driveway?

Is it the glint in their eye, or the way they walk?
 
How do you judge if someone is the sort of person to have a paved driveway?

Is it the glint in their eye, or the way they walk?
How they dress, talk and behave are all good combat indicators.
Always assume.
You will usually be right or at least close.
 
Problem is....... if you dilute the vote, as in voting for cnuts like the lib- dems, or U-kip, or the EDL, you might let in twats like Corbyn.......

Hard choice....... how can you tell the twats you voted for, you didn't really vote for them, but voted against the even worse twats ?
Well, if you think that the lib dems or ukip are worse then labour or the tories then obviously this strategy wont work for you however if needn't be an endorsement of any party, merely a mechanism to put people in government who will challenge and hold to account the people making the decisions

I'm not sure if that is what you mean though.

Labour and the Tories will bring us more of the same and take us further along the path that we are on. If you want to change the path we are on then you can vote for a party that at least partly represents your own views and for them to win enough seats to prevent either Labour or the Tories from forming a majority government in their own right and be forced to form a coalition and power sharing.

With those seats taken away from the big two, they can influence the balance of power and force major concessions to unpopular or unreasonable legislation (porn license, anti privacy, immigration etc..)


Nobody should be under any illusions that voting lib dem or ukip will result in a lib dem or ukip government. Thats just not possible in our system but it can prevent either of the big two from ramming through crazy legislation in the belief that the voters gave them a clear mandate by voting for them in the first place.
 

ancienturion

LE
Book Reviewer
How do you judge if someone is the sort of person to have a paved driveway?

Is it the glint in their eye, or the way they walk?
Try reading it properly, if you can read legal beagle.

Edited to add "It really is time to put you on Ignore".
 
Exactly. Despite the crusty students blocking roads in America and Britain, the left have been in decline since Ronald Reagan drove a stake through the heart of Soviet communism. Tony Blair realised this when he took over the British Labour party in the 1990s.

As well as shifting Labour to the centre left, confiscating Michael Foot's donkey jacket and forcing Gordon Brown to wash his hair more often, Tony set about changing the world, or at least the bit of it he was responsible for.

The current Labour party despise Tony Blair for purging the party of the hard left but they're not stupid. They acknowledge that Blair was the most electorally successful leader in the party's history. Before Blair, no Labour government served more than one full term in office. New Old Labour will emulate the policies that kept Blair and Brown in power longer than any other Labour leaders and longer than most Tory leaders.

I think there's also a genuine and justified fear among the left about the rise of so-called "nationalist" politics in Europe and the USA - who wasn't surprised by Donald Trump's victory? There has been one financial crisis after another in the Eurozone. Having a common currency among countries setting their own economic and monetary policies will never work. Greece suffered a catastrophe a few years ago and it looks like Italy is heading the same way.

Add to that the relentless attempts by the Germans to offload their immigrant problem onto smaller countries, the looming end of EU largesse when Britain stops paying in and a "politburo" style of European government where an unelected cabal of civil servants issue directives that can't be challenged by the European or by national parliaments and you might as well buy shares in companies that make jackboots.

Just look at the state of New Mexico. An armed militia took it open themselves to police the border. They detained close to 300 illegals at gun point, then turned them over to USBP.

Nothing happened to them. They told the governor of the state to go jog on. She is more worried about the well being of non citizens then the residents of her state. Which is where the defiance kicks in.

The left hates the right here, because we will openly defy them and get away with it. The silent majority does not like the shift the Dems are taking and it shows. The difference is the right here are the armed folks who have the means to resist.

Look at Colorado and the number of Sheriffs telling Denver to shove the new gun laws up their ass.
 
I understand your point. But the rules are different here.
The Protesters also did some things that broke the rules. If a line in the sand is drawn and you cross it, you can expect the Law to respond.
The left hates the right here, because we will openly defy them and get away with it. The silent majority does not like the shift the Dems are taking and it shows. The difference is the right here are the armed folks who have the means to resist.

Look at Colorado and the number of Sheriffs telling Denver to shove the new gun laws up their ass.
Jonesy, do you not see the psychological disconnect between "those lefty ********* are breaking the law, send in the police to stop it" and "look at us on the right, we're breaking the law, aren't we awesome"?

Yes, the laws involved and the disobedience are different but I genuinely cannot understand how in one breath you can hurl your teddies out of the pram about protest and in another breath support protest, just because you agree with one group and disagree with another.

Of course in London the police are actually following the law, not choosing to break it.
 

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