London riot plans

Take that up with those who sought to neuter the police. Soon after this, the present government came into power and rather than reverse it, they cut police funding by 25% and cut police powers.

You get what you pay and legislate for.
Don't disagree with any of that. Clearly we have been on the same side of the more with less stick. We just didn't make a clusterfeck of things to make a political point.

You could have policed this way better.
 
Take that up with those who sought to neuter the police. Soon after this, the present government came into power and rather than reverse it, they cut police funding by 25% and cut police powers.

You get what you pay and legislate for.
Coincidentally:

 
Come on mate, do you think for a second if this lot were pro brexit or anything perceived as right wing they would have been allowed to cause this chaos over a week?
This is a serious screwup that gives a green light to chaos.
Chaos?
It is all ahead and waiting for us.
Courtesy of the formerly longest serving Home Sec for quite some time.
When the great unwashed are quite clearly shown to the world to be more professional in tactical decision making on the hoof, team mobility and even motivation and endurance then it is time to address some problems at the grass roots and management of our public servants.

Some chickens are flapping around and looking for a roost somewhere, probably to be seen landing around a public enquiry in the immediate future methinks.
 
Come on mate, do you think for a second if this lot were pro brexit or anything perceived as right wing they would have been allowed to cause this chaos over a week?

This is a serious screwup that gives a green light to chaos.
Well, they (Brexit, Right Wing, XRW) would have had their own problems due to how they present.

There is not a one size fits all approach to public order - which @wetsmonkey pointed out with the reference to the G20.

Given the problems with "kettling", pre-emptive arrests and "doing a Sgt Smellie" (see the clip below), you end up with the approach you see now.


Still Sajid will make PM off the back of looking "well hard".

 
Well, they (Brexit, Right Wing, XRW) would have had their own problems due to how they present.

There is not a one size fits all approach to public order - which @wetsmonkey pointed out with the reference to the G20.

Given the problems with "kettling", pre-emptive arrests and "doing a Sgt Smellie" (see the clip below), you end up with the approach you see now.


Still Sajid will make PM off the back of looking "well hard".

Looks like some of those protesters might have needed medical attention.

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The police are tooling up because of the public tooling up.
Or is it because when you get new kit you have to continually justify needing to keep it?

The American public was actually not all tactically tooled up until about 2006. If you had an AR 30 years ago you would have been considered a ******* terrorist.
 
More cuts.
 

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Take that up with those who sought to neuter the police. Soon after this, the present government came into power and rather than reverse it, they cut police funding by 25% and cut police powers.

You get what you pay and legislate for.
The cuts didn't help, but the police were neutered years ago when they unquestioningly subjected themselves to the censure of the MacPherson report and meekly surrendered their entire moral component along with their social licence to operate.
 
When the more sensible members of the public are starting to become restive, it seems like a questionable move for the forces of law and order to appear less than robust when pitted against a relatively small mob of extremely disruptive 'eco-snowflakes'. I understand that the response needs to be proportionate, but the overall impression is one of weakness. ...which I think is inviting trouble.
 
TND again, Khan/Javid handbags
 
When the more sensible members of the public are starting to become restive, it seems like a questionable move for the forces of law and order to appear less than robust when pitted against a relatively small mob of extremely disruptive 'eco-snowflakes'. I understand that the response needs to be proportionate, but the overall impression is one of weakness. ...which I think is inviting trouble.
But what I am failing to understand, is how you think polite interaction with peaceful protesters is weakness?
Being heavy handed also means you can expect the same in return, and if you are outnumbered 50 to 1 and an enraged public figures that out then things get really nasty. Escalation for the sake of it can backfire bigly. It is not like the officers are picking up signs and protesting with the public.
 
But what I am failing to understand, is how you think polite interaction with peaceful protesters is weakness?
Being heavy handed also means you can expect the same in return, and if you are outnumbered 50 to 1 and an enraged public figures that out then things get really nasty. Escalation for the sake of it can backfire bigly. It is not like the officers are picking up signs and protesting with the public.

It's not so much the tone of the interaction - rather the fact that they're not gripping the situation.
 
It's not so much the tone of the interaction - rather the fact that they're not gripping the situation.
Have the protesters?

Blocked any roads?
Behaved Violently in any way?
Destroyed any property?

Would a heavy handed police response then result in??
Blocked Roads?
Violent anti social behaviour?
Riots and Destruction of Property?
 

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