London Fire Brigade to cut overtime

#1
Not such a big story, brigades do use pre arranged overtime to cover staff shortages.
But here's the thing.
I saw this news on BBC this morning and googled it to see if there was any more detail:
London Fire Brigade to cut overtime

This is page 20 of the results:


There are at least twenty pages (probably more, I got bored!) of every news service having the IDENTICAL story!

So who send out these stories?
I've long noticed that the new government often has "today's hate news!"
Yesterday it was the police overtime.
Almost like they're doing it on purpose!
 
#3
Just never seen it before.
This lot do have their pet news stories. Remember the Headteacher and Doctor who both earned more than call me Dave?
 
#4
'tis the wire services as they used to be know. Associated Press or Reuters or whomever.

Basicaly they chuck these stories out and local editors can pay for them. Or increasingly these days all those 'local' papers are in fact the same newspaper with different advertising and a few local colour stories. Oh the joys of cut and paste. In my area there are three different local rags, 2 of which have different versions for parts of the county. They are all 95% identical despite different names and front pages if you ignore the adverts and all belong to the mail group IIRC. These days their web sites are all cut and paste as well. So we're probably talking about a staff of 2-3 people for 6 or 7 'newspapers' plus the folk who actualy print them all up somewhere central.
 
#5
Iam a cop and I am fed up telling my gaffers that I do not want to work overtime. Do they listen, no they don,t and the public do not understand that there are not enough Cops out there to do the job. It seems like T MAY wants it all ways!
 
#6
Just never seen it before.
This lot do have their pet news stories. Remember the Headteacher and Doctor who both earned more than call me Dave?
Yes, but they are probably capable of their jobs.

petemac said:
It seems like T MAY wants it all ways!
Ahem!
 
#8
Always find the term "staff shortages" difficult to reconcile with the current unemployment rate. If there's money for higher rate overtime, surely it must be cheaper in the long term to simply employ more people?!

Or, not being an economist ot politician, am I missing something I/we are not aware of?


Fathomed out how to use the ARRSE app.
 
#9
Always find the term "staff shortages" difficult to reconcile with the current unemployment rate. If there's money for higher rate overtime, surely it must be cheaper in the long term to simply employ more people?!

Or, not being an economist ot politician, am I missing something I/we are not aware of?


Fathomed out how to use the ARRSE app.
New staff cost money to recruit & train and, possibly, more on employers NI contributions & pension and work equipment. Depending on the duration of the extra work that can make premium overtime cheaper than more staff
 
#10
Often cheaper to get rid of staff, with all the associated expense, and rely on existing staff to cover. Especially as in many jobs now, overtime is not at enhanced rates, and doesn't count towards pension.
 

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#11
I certainly remember when they included overtime for pension by making it an earnings rather than salary based final figure on BR. The amount of 60 plus year olds dropping dead after spending 72 hours a week at work for their last few years instead of winding down.
I made a point of limiting the overtime I did and deliberately not taking long sundays which paid little compared to short saturday night shifts which were enhanced.
Having kids I appreciated lazy mornings and would shift swap my earlies for anyones lates, after 1800 it was enhanced and I got to go home at kicking out time when the kids were already tucked in!
 
#12
Reuters/AP... The same place the vast majority of news articles come from. Do the same with just about any news item and you'll get the same (or slightly amended) versions on every news site.
 
#13
Not such a big story, brigades do use pre arranged overtime to cover staff shortages.
But here's the thing.
I saw this news on BBC this morning and googled it to see if there was any more detail:
London Fire Brigade to cut overtime

This is page 20 of the results:


There are at least twenty pages (probably more, I got bored!) of every news service having the IDENTICAL story!

So who send out these stories?
I've long noticed that the new government often has "today's hate news!"
Yesterday it was the police overtime.
Almost like they're doing it on purpose!
Your mob are clearly next for the government hatchet job. At least you've got a union with teeth as opposed to the useless fookers my former colleagues have to look after their interests.
 

ugly

LE
Moderator
#14
Your mob are clearly next for the government hatchet job. At least you've got a union with teeth as opposed to the useless fookers my former colleagues have to look after their interests.
The FBU will be safe till be get the troops back from the sandpit, then watch and shoot!

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#15
The FBU will be safe till be get the troops back from the sandpit, then watch and shoot!

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The Army don't provide defensive emergency fire cover any more for strikes etc.

The contract was awarded to Securitas to provide 600+ fully trained security officers for defensive emergency fire fighting capability for London Borough Fire Authority. The in depth training is provided by Lincs Fire Service & AssetCo, and officers are ready and able to deploy within 24hrs notice to take over fire stations and fire appliances to provide fully functioning crew cover for 999 calls under Police escort if necessary.
 
#16
The dumming-down of professions. You have seen it with medicine, the military, the police (I won't mention education having read several Arrse comments about teachers). After SDR ten years ago, every Branch had gaps. Did they give a ****? No, simply because the professional ethos means we will not allow the output to suffer. And there was always the OJAR to consider.
Fire Brigade next.
 

ugly

LE
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#17
A private security firm right, thatll work! I wonder if that's ever been tried for any other big event?









Army it is then!

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#18
The dumming-down of professions. You have seen it with medicine, the military, the police (I won't mention education having read several Arrse comments about teachers). After SDR ten years ago, every Branch had gaps. Did they give a ****? No, simply because the professional ethos means we will not allow the output to suffer. And there was always the OJAR to consider.
Fire Brigade next.
The FBU have shot themselves in the foot a bit with strike action. The last strike over 500 security officers deployed around London Fire Stations and they answered every 999 call. Question's then were starting to be asked at the top, as to why LFS needed a few thousand full time fire fighters, when less than half man power was needed to cover strike action and still hit 999 targets
 
#19
A private security firm right, thatll work! I wonder if that's ever been tried for any other big event?









Army it is then!

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Already tested mate on at least last 2-3 strikes.
They undergo selection process and fire fighter recruit training, and refresher training by Lincs Fire Service/AssetCO
 
#20
Already tested mate on at least last 2-3 strikes.
They undergo selection process and fire fighter recruit training, and refresher training by Lincs Fire Service/AssetCO
This would be the same AssetCO that almost went bust and had a winding up petition lifted in April 2011 after the company had its chief executive taken to court to force him to agree to a desperate last minute deal that provided some operating capital.
The same assetCO that brought scab labour in to break London firefighters strikes many of them wearing balaclavas.

The company went into Liqiudation last year owing a cool 250,000 in unpaid taxes.
I read recently that Lincolnshire fire service had terminated their contract with assetCO Lincoln Ltd.
There was real speculation at one stage that those appliances and equipment leased to London Fire Brigade were under very real threat of being seized by the receivers.
Thats just the tip of the iceberg. They were panned in a report last year which included such failings as serious delays in the delivery of operational equipment, poor defect monitoring, scheduled servicing of appliances not carried out on 34 occasions and a failure to supply information relating to 80 road traffic accidents involving fire appliances which meant London fire brigade was unable to recover taxpayers money from third parties.
What a shining example of private enterprise.
Those shitcunts make G4S look like Barnados in comparison.
And by the way, if you really believe that 500 of their poorly trained strike breaking chimps can give adequate fire cover to a city the size of London outside of the daily wail and torygraph vokischer beobachter style drivel then you may be interested in some magic beans i have for sale.
 

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