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London Bombings

#1
The terrible events of today are still unfolding as I write this but amidst all the highly emotive issues that abound, why are we in the AMS not utilised?

It strikes me as a terrible waste that the many highly trained and above all experienced military medics particulary A+E and Surgical Teams have not been deployed. This is not to re-open the debate on locating the Centre for Defence Medicine in London or retaining the QEMH but more to offer up our staff to assist in there many roles and further their experience.

There must be many reading this with a great deal of incident management experience who at least can take comfort from the sterling work that our civilian collegues are doing and will continue to do. At least our TA collegues will be able to put some of their TELIC skills to good use!
 
#4
Because the civvy organisations all train together for incidences such as these. If we went blundering in with our own ideas & way of doing things, then there would be real & total chaos. The highest ranking would be shouting loudest & the rest of us just ignoring him, with the civvies lost somewhere in the middle.

It's really not a good idea. They are doing & have done a great job without us, why complicate things further? Keep the civvy meidcal services and the military as far apart as possible (with the obvious TA exception).

And yes, there are lots of us sitting around feeling very useless & wanting to get stuck in, but our time will come.
 
#5
gado said:
Because the civvy organisations all train together for incidences such as these. If we went blundering in with our own ideas & way of doing things, then there would be real & total chaos. The highest ranking would be shouting loudest & the rest of us just ignoring him, with the civvies lost somewhere in the middle.

It's really not a good idea. They are doing & have done a great job without us, why complicate things further? Keep the civvy meidcal services and the military as far apart as possible (with the obvious TA exception).

And yes, there are lots of us sitting around feeling very useless & wanting to get stuck in, but our time will come.
Very sensible and educated response. We train for our thing they train for their thing. Try and imagine it the other way round, it makes perfect sense what gado says.
 
#6
watertight said:
gado said:
Because the civvy organisations all train together for incidences such as these. If we went blundering in with our own ideas & way of doing things, then there would be real & total chaos. The highest ranking would be shouting loudest & the rest of us just ignoring him, with the civvies lost somewhere in the middle.

It's really not a good idea. They are doing & have done a great job without us, why complicate things further? Keep the civvy meidcal services and the military as far apart as possible (with the obvious TA exception).

And yes, there are lots of us sitting around feeling very useless & wanting to get stuck in, but our time will come.
Very sensible and educated response. We train for our thing they train for their thing. Try and imagine it the other way round, it makes perfect sense what gado says.
fcuk me, thats a first ! (but cheers anyway)
 
#7
gado said:
watertight said:
gado said:
Because the civvy organisations all train together for incidences such as these. If we went blundering in with our own ideas & way of doing things, then there would be real & total chaos. The highest ranking would be shouting loudest & the rest of us just ignoring him, with the civvies lost somewhere in the middle.

It's really not a good idea. They are doing & have done a great job without us, why complicate things further? Keep the civvy meidcal services and the military as far apart as possible (with the obvious TA exception).

And yes, there are lots of us sitting around feeling very useless & wanting to get stuck in, but our time will come.
Very sensible and educated response. We train for our thing they train for their thing. Try and imagine it the other way round, it makes perfect sense what gado says.
fcuk me, thats a first ! (but cheers anyway)
It's also your last so print it out as a keepsake.
 
#8
To be honest we had loads of Paramedic crews and volunteer staff in reserve that never even made it forward to the inner cordons, im sure if there is ever any need you will get the call..
 
#9
watertight said:
It's also your last so print it out as a keepsake.
Harsh, Mr Airtight, very harsh :cry:
 
#12
There are a few of us floating around not doing an awful lot (at the moment) :roll: The calm before the storm? After all, they can't pay us all this money & then do nothing with us.
 
#13
The legal implications are the problem at the moment. The majority of the most relevent sections of the AMS (i.e medics) are not legally authorised to treat civvies. I'm not saying that this is a fair state of affairs, but it is a fact. The main deficit at the minute is paramedics to attend the routine 999 calls. As has been stated, AMS assets are not covered to fill this gap. Sad state of affairs, but there you go
 
#14
gado said:
Keep the civvy meidcal services and the military as far apart as possible (with the obvious TA exception).
there should be NO exceptions!!!!
 
#15
Was trying to be PC, but hey! Your right (as always).
 
#16
(Quote)The legal implications are the problem at the moment. The majority of the most relevent sections of the AMS (i.e medics) are not legally authorised to treat civvies. I'm not saying that this is a fair state of affairs, but it is a fact. The main deficit at the minute is paramedics to attend the routine 999 calls. As has been stated, AMS assets are not covered to fill this gap. Sad state of affairs, but there you go (Quote)

he he he he he he ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho

How many of us thought "I want to be a Medic" and ended up like this!!!!

Look, they don't want CMTs as we are those blokes that get in the way when Health care Professionals are doing their job!

If there were a situation (EVER) where a CMT was needed to treat a casualty/patient/victim (what ever you want to call him/her) that would imply that all HEALTH CARE PROFESSIONALS WERE EITHER AWAY, ILL OR DEAD!
 
#17
WasMe said:
) HEALTH CARE PROFESSIONALS WERE EITHER AWAY, ILL OR DEAD!
Or too busy doing the job they've trained and are paid for, to watch over the CMT's shoulder to make sure they're not doing anything stupid! (This does not apply to all, just unfortunatly quite alot!)
 
#18
"Here Here...................


Yar.............................. good show Gado...................


em ... em.... Yar...................true true.......................


James, bring me my Purdy's, we have some CMTs on the grounds"
 

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#19
gado said:
WasMe said:
) HEALTH CARE PROFESSIONALS WERE EITHER AWAY, ILL OR DEAD!
Or too busy doing the job they've trained and are paid for, to watch over the CMT's shoulder to make sure they're not doing anything stupid! (This does not apply to all, just unfortunatly quite alot!)
Not sure what task a Xray tech could watch over- Pushing a button maybe.............................
 
#20
They should be able to use army medics in my opinion to treat civies in an emergency situation where there has been an act of terrorism or a major incident where civillian med staff are over swamped.

Fibert fox
Some TA medics are dealing with trauma every day in there civy life
Lets not slag the TA off! You may need some help when you fall of the pedistal
 

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