Logistic Nightmare ?

#1
During some recent military tourism at a base in Afghanistan I observed: Warrior; Vector/Pinzgauer; Mastiff; Snatch, WMIK, I-WMIK; Viking. Now there is Jackal and Cougar (?) coming in.
How hard is it to keep such a wide variety of vehicles, posted in small numbers, operational in these conditions ? Should the tiffys be topping the honours list ? Or are these newer wagons simply much more reliable than the old ? I am curious...
S
 
#2
Sid_Viscose said:
Should the tiffys be topping the honours list ?
What? For doing their fucking job. There's enough of that around as it is thank you very much. :evil:
 
#3
For every 10 VM's trying to keep the kit moving there's a tiff trying to hinder them with lean lines and pie graphs....... :D
Then they ECI you....
 
#4
Dont worry you will have Fortress, Vixen and Ridgeback soon to add to the many code names of vehicles and equipment!
 
#6
Sid, yes its a pile of ballbags on Herrick at the moment, with FTR Sections supporting kit they are not trained on and don't have the diagnostic kit to deal with it. Not a drama that long ago but these days the usual response from the vehicle is "computer says no."
 
#7
Nuts_McAuliff said:
Fortress Vixen??

Or do you have to kill me once you've told us etc?

Nuts
Fortress is Theatre Entry Standard, Support Vehicle. Basically the new trucks but fully armoured, BOWMAN and ECM.
Vixen is a upgraded version of WMIK.
 
#9
thegimp said:
Sounds like an evening watching gladiators!!
:D

More catchy than 43, CVR(T), Lanny and Chally. Cheify, can´t think of any others.
 
#13
Sensesworkingovertime said:
chocolate_frog said:
thegimp said:
Sounds like an evening watching gladiators!!
:D

More catchy than 43, CVR(T), Lanny and Chally. Cheify, can´t think of any others.
mabye, seems harder to remember for me... :(

so what's the next vehicle going to be called? pink slip?
I have heard P45 and UB40 being bandied about.
 
#15
Fortress, Vixen and Ridgeback !It's even more complicated than I thought :roll:
Maybe they need to bin some of the ones that aren't up to it, eg Vector, and focus down on on a coope of wagons or families of vehicles that work best. Mastiff seems to get the thumbs up. The Cougar looks like a smaller version. Maybe some commonality of drive train etc ?
 
#17
And this variety of vehicles, from a number of suppliers in UK and elsewhere, is, perhaps, reminiscent of the army of 1940, or the early 1970s? Too much variety, duplication of roles, unnecessarily large need for spares/ training/ special tools? Yet the opfor, despite allied air superiority, heavy weapons etc seems to get by on civil, bog standard, Japanese 4x4s? We seem to be constantly reinventing the wheel again, buying a few examples of a type for specific jobs then trying to reuse them for less suitable jobs. Each seems remarkably expensive, with little obvious savings from bulk purchase, and many seem doomed to a short service life before enemy action, worn out or lack of use sends them off for scrap. someone explain, please?
 
#18
CH512O said:
Dont worry you will have Fortress, Vixen and Ridgeback soon to add to the many code names of vehicles and equipment!
Sounds like the next series of Gladiators!

Terry Taliban you will go on my first whistle............... :roll:
 
#19
oscar1whisky said:
And this variety of vehicles, from a number of suppliers in UK and elsewhere, is, perhaps, reminiscent of the army of 1940, or the early 1970s? Too much variety, duplication of roles, unnecessarily large need for spares/ training/ special tools? Yet the opfor, despite allied air superiority, heavy weapons etc seems to get by on civil, bog standard, Japanese 4x4s? We seem to be constantly reinventing the wheel again, buying a few examples of a type for specific jobs then trying to reuse them for less suitable jobs. Each seems remarkably expensive, with little obvious savings from bulk purchase, and many seem doomed to a short service life before enemy action, worn out or lack of use sends them off for scrap. someone explain, please?
I have to disagree with some of your comments.
"unnecessarily large need for spares/ training/ special tools?" SV, made by MAN replaces Bedford 4, 8 and 14t and also Daf 4t. THe 8 and the 14 shared a lot of common parts but totally different to the Bedford. Daf again was different to all 3. With MAN you get the same cab, in certain variants they share the same engine and chassis commonality. Training should be easier as all 3 SV variants share, more or less the same cab controls etc.
"little obvious savings from bulk purchase" Which equipment do you mean by this? We have quite a few of MASTIFF and RIDGEBACK will increase the numbers.
"lack of use " I dont think any wheeled vehicle in HERRICK is suffering from lack of use!
"opfor, despite allied air superiority, heavy weapons etc seems to get by on civil, bog standard, Japanese 4x4s?" They do but what happens to a Toyota Hilux when a LAW or .50 hits it. If you want to travel around in a Toyota on patrol then please do, but id prefer to be in MASTIFF etc.
 
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