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Livingstone Faces Racism Hearing

#4
stoatman said:
Well, we can only hope that Livingston, as one of the "pioneers" of political correctness can now reap what he has sown.
It is not so much PC böllocks gone mad but simply civilised behaviour to avoid saying such thing especially when you have just ascertained the guy is Jewish!
 
#6
Still doesn't excuse making such a remark. Even if the guy wasn't Jewish ithe remark was ignorant and rude without any justifaction. The remark displayed the biggoted mindset of the chattering class.
 
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#7
Kitmarlowe said:
Still doesn't excuse making such a remark. Even if the guy wasn't Jewish ithe remark was ignorant and rude without any justifaction. The remark displayed the biggoted mindset of the chattering class.
What wrong with being ignorant and rude?
 
#8
True...The great man does it so well.....

But the downside is that sometimes, someone decides not to reply verbally but puts a fist into your offending mouth..
 
#11
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/articles/16601472?source=Evening Standard

Mr Livingstone [talking to photographer Nigel Howard]: You've got one [picture] already.

Finegold: Mr Livingstone, Evening Standard. How did tonight go?

Livingstone: How awful for you. Have you thought of having treatment?

Finegold: How did tonight go?

Mr Livingstone: Have you thought of having treatment?

Finegold: Was it a good party? What does it mean for you?
Note, mr.Finegold asked a question. He knew that the mayor didn't wish to answer but repeated the question many times.

Mr Livingstone: What did you do before? Were you a German war criminal?

Finegold: No, I'm Jewish, I wasn't a German war criminal and I'm actually quite offended by that. So, how did tonight go?
Mr.Finegold said that he was offended but immediately repeated his question. So was he really feel himself insulted? I doubt. In this context mr.Livingstone had right to think that this declaration was only a figure of speech.

Mr Livingstone: Arr right, well you might be [Jewish], but actually you are just like a concentration camp guard, you are just doing it because you are paid to, aren't you?
Note that words like 'nazi', 'fascist' were not used by the mauor. From formal point of view, camp in Guantanamo is a typical concentration camp. So mr.Livingston could say that actually he meant namely Guantanamo and comparison with noble American guardsmen is not offensive.

Finegold: Great, I have you on record for that. So, how was tonight?
As we see mr.Fingold kept on repeating of his question. So at least his emotional reaction (if we ever can say about emotional reaction) was strange.

Mr Livingstone: It's nothing to do with you because your paper is a load of scumbags and reactionary bigots.
Here we see a clear statement made by the mayor. He said "It's nothing to do with you". It means: I haven't anything againts you personally.

Finegold: I'm a journalist and I'm doing my job. I'm only asking for a comment.

Mr Livingstone: Well, work for a paper that doesn't have a record of supporting fascism.
First time a word 'fascism' was used. But it was not directed against mr.Finegold personally.

Now compare it with

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/articles/PA_NEWA19802871134377671A000?source=PA Feed

A disciplinary hearing against London mayor Ken Livingstone for comparing a Jewish reporter to a Nazi concentration camp guard is due to begin.
As we see a word 'nazi' was not used at all.
 
#12
Originally, when i first read about Livingstone's comment I was a bit taken aback, more so when he refused to apologise. Having had time to reflect, what did he actually do wrong?
The British actually first instigated concentration camps, albeit not as bad as the more notorious Nazi death camps, so if the guard thing was levelled at me is it racist? Should I be upset? Yes, but only because such a comment should highlight that my behaviour was making someone uncomfortable. The reporter should learn his trade.
I am not racist, and have a deep sympathy for the victims of the Holocaust, but Israel in some of its past actions/reactions has proved its infinite capacity for revenge.
 
#13
Northern Monkey said:
Originally, when i first read about Livingstone's comment I was a bit taken aback, more so when he refused to apologise. Having had time to reflect, what did he actually do wrong?
The British actually first instigated concentration camps, albeit not as bad as the more notorious Nazi death camps, so if the guard thing was levelled at me is it racist? Should I be upset? Yes, but only because such a comment should highlight that my behaviour was making someone uncomfortable. The reporter should learn his trade.
I am not racist, and have a deep sympathy for the victims of the Holocaust, but Israel in some of its past actions/reactions has proved its infinite capacity for revenge.
I have forgetten to add, that on the place of mr.Livingstone I would bring apologies, though unlikely that I would use such words as 'war criminal' or 'concentration camp guard'.

Btw, why the mayor hasn't even one body-guard?
 
#14
This is England, old boy, the land of the free, where the elected representatives of the people are secure in the knowledge that they hold the respect of the masses, and are lead to Utopia by the Mighty Blair.
Red Ken may be slightly mad, but i do have a sneaking regard for his honesty, integrity and intelligence. Plus, anyone who gets booted out of the labour party must be ok in my book (yes, I know he's back in now!)
 
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#15
Livingstone is a terrorist sympathiser and is in the same mould as Galloway, come the English Civil War, he will be invited to spend time in one of my planned "Re-education" centres in order to learn the error of his ways as will all enemies of the English people!! Vote now for a Greater ENGERLAND!!
 
#16
Did I say Red Ken may be mad? Clearly on the Herrenbloke scale of barkingness, he is a well rounded individual! Red Ken's politics may be Arsse but he stands up for what he believes in, as does George Galloway, who is quite amusing the way he fights the party line.
Cue demented utterances.....
 
#17
A simple search to see the number of times Livingstone has actually helped the Jewish community in London , would have put paid to this.

Finegold is upset because Livingstone thought he wasn't worth answering a question to. Being a bit precious for a tabloid journo isn't he?
 
#18
Good point PTP-apart from the journo being precious. He's a pretty limited person to use the comment as a weapon. Its about an avenue of attack for his paper to get at Livingstone. Livingstone's reference was possibly ill-chosen, but surely the words used convey just how low Livingstone's sees camp guards, not how he feels about Jews. I thought when this occurred he was a fool not to apologise, but now I applaud him. I just can't see how his comments were offensive to anyone other than Finegold,-not because he's Jewish, but because he's inadequate, and Livingtone highlighted this to him.
 
#19
This man is a toal arrse. He is a d*ckhead of the highest order and I am amazed that anyone would defend this man.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3610789.stm

Read this. Advocating the lynching of another countries rulers might be OK in the pub, but the Mayor of London should be keeping his own council if this is his belief. He thinks he can say what the hell he wants and gets away with it, but woe betide anyone who proclaims against any of his beliefs
 
#20
Seems to be a fair comment about one of the most repressive, intolerant regimes on earth? One that even the Yanks have distanced themselves from. Should the Mayor of London be saying it-ultimately he's elected for his opinions and judgement.(For those that voted for Our Tony, that's scary)
 

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