"Living In" - Respect for Soliders in Single Accn

#1
TheKnave lives in single accn attached to the Sgts' Mess of a phase two establishment. I am in my 30s, have never been married and my entire life is in my room.

It has come to light recently that the contractors in charge of repair and upkeep to our block can go into our rooms without warning, escort or notification to the occupant.

I have raised my concerns to the chain of command and the circumstances are being investigated.

In the meantime, can any ARRSErs come up with rules, regulations and stautory rights in MOD accn. I only want 24 hours notice of the entry (in writing) as is afforded to other tenants under the Housing Act. This is so I can put away my bills, personal mail etc.

Edited to take away any alusion to soldiers having rights or any weak attempts at humour
 
#2
Dont know the regs, sorry. But until you have it sorted, buy yourself a lock insert that prevents them unlocking the room.

Boney
 
#3
I was going to reply to this post with, " its the armed forces, not civi street"

But thought no, some moany git will have a go at me.

So I shall answer it in the manner it seems to work on here.

You are living in military accomodation, owned by the MOD, supplied to you by the QM dept.
You dont have a tenancy agreement, nor are you a private tenant.
You pay a minimal amount of "rent" shall we say, for the said accomodation, and you want rights to stop people entering who have a key?
Get a grip


If your room has your kit scattered all over it, ie porn, soggy tissues, etc etc, then your problem isnt unknowns access, its your personal hygene and basic kit managment skills that need addressing.



What has become of the armed forces? tenants rights? for gods sake, you will be wanting personal trainers and jamie oliver to cook your meals next.
 
#4
Its not fair but nows the chance to snap up a bargain bachelor pad, plenty of cheap apartments floating about
 
#5
Gren said:
I was going to reply to this post with, " its the armed forces, not civi street"

But thought no, some moany git will have a go at me.

So I shall answer it in the manner it seems to work on here.

You are living in military accomodation, owned by the MOD, supplied to you by the QM dept.
You dont have a tenancy agreement, nor are you a private tenant.
You pay a minimal amount of "rent" shall we say, for the said accomodation, and you want rights to stop people entering who have a key?
Get a grip



If your room has your kit scattered all over it, ie porn, soggy tissues, etc etc, then your problem isnt unknowns access, its your personal hygene and basic kit managment skills that need addressing.



What has become of the armed forces? tenants rights? for gods sake, you will be wanting personal trainers and jamie oliver to cook your meals next.
Gren I agree with you. However when I was in Germany , living in the block, in the early eighties we had room entrances by contractors published on part2 orders 24 hours in advance. That way you had time to stash the frankie etc etc.
 
#6
TheKnave said:
TheKnave lives in single accn attached to the Sgts' Mess of a phase two establishment. I am in my 30s, have never been married and my entire life is in my room.

In the meantime, can any ARRSErs come up with rules, regulations and stautory rights in MOD accn. I only want 24 hours notice of the entry (in writing) as is afforded to other tenants under the Housing Act. This is so I can put away my bills, porn and catchrags, personal mail etc.
Take it that you are a Star Trek fan & speak Klingon :sleepy:
 
#7
blocksweat said:
Gren said:
I was going to reply to this post with, " its the armed forces, not civi street"

But thought no, some moany git will have a go at me.

So I shall answer it in the manner it seems to work on here.

You are living in military accomodation, owned by the MOD, supplied to you by the QM dept.
You dont have a tenancy agreement, nor are you a private tenant.
You pay a minimal amount of "rent" shall we say, for the said accomodation, and you want rights to stop people entering who have a key?
Get a grip



If your room has your kit scattered all over it, ie porn, soggy tissues, etc etc, then your problem isnt unknowns access, its your personal hygene and basic kit managment skills that need addressing.



What has become of the armed forces? tenants rights? for gods sake, you will be wanting personal trainers and jamie oliver to cook your meals next.
Gren I agree with you. However when I was in Germany , living in the block, in the early eighties we had room entrances by contractors published on part2 orders 24 hours in advance. That way you had time to stash the frankie etc etc.
And for me too mate, but thats down to the unit, if they dont inform the lads, then its their problem.
Im just amazed with the sort of things that get asked, It cant have changed that much since I left surely?
 
#8
I have a bit of sympathy here,block inspections ect fine...but why should he have to put up with some civvy c*nt pitching up unannounced to his w@nk chariot?

It's little niggling things like this,that can add to a blokes disenchantment with the mob.Some heads up or common courtesy is not being unreasonable.

Can I ask are the pads in the same situation?
 

luke

War Hero
#9
Vent_Tube_Tester said:
TheKnave said:
TheKnave lives in single accn attached to the Sgts' Mess of a phase two establishment. I am in my 30s, have never been married and my entire life is in my room.

In the meantime, can any ARRSErs come up with rules, regulations and stautory rights in MOD accn. I only want 24 hours notice of the entry (in writing) as is afforded to other tenants under the Housing Act. This is so I can put away my bills, porn and catchrags, personal mail etc.
Take it that you are a Star Trek fan & speak Klingon :sleepy:
Yeh he'd be better off marrying early, it always works out so well in the Army! :twisted:
 
#10
insert-coin-here said:
I have a bit of sympathy here,block inspections ect fine...but why should he have to put up with some civvy c*nt pitching up unannounced to his w@nk chariot?

It's little niggling things like this,that can add to a blokes disenchantment with the mob.Some heads up or common courtesy is not being unreasonable.

Can I ask are the pads in the same situation?
Only if there is a box of OMO washing powder in the kitchen window. :twisted:
 

Bowmore_Assassin

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#11
As far as I can remember (because I have not read my 'tenancy agreement' since I signed it), as a pad, we are obliged to allow official workmen and inspectors into our MQ but it has to be at a mutually agreeable time. We cannot refuse them entry altogether. We do get notice.

I think it only fair singlies get fair warning of an impending maint visit but you cannot stop them entering your room.
 
#12
TheKnave said:
I am in my 30s, have never been married and my entire life is in my room.
Having read that sentence the only thing my childish brain can come up with is 'You bagless cnut!'

No need to thank me.
 
#13
Gren said:
I was going to reply to this post with, " its the armed forces, not civi street"

But thought no, some moany git will have a go at me.

So I shall answer it in the manner it seems to work on here.

You are living in military accomodation, owned by the MOD, supplied to you by the QM dept.
You dont have a tenancy agreement, nor are you a private tenant.
You pay a minimal amount of "rent" shall we say, for the said accomodation, and you want rights to stop people entering who have a key?
Get a grip

What has become of the armed forces? tenants rights? for gods sake, you will be wanting personal trainers and jamie oliver to cook your meals next.
Gren: believe it or not, but the Army has changed in the last 121 years since you served.

Rent is not "minimal": it is rapidly being brought up to commercial levels (non-London levels thankfully). It will soon make little financial difference to a soldier whether he lives in the block or shares a house/flat in town.

As rent is paid, the occupants have full rights as described under relevant tenant/landlord legislation.
 
#14
FiveAlpha said:
TheKnave said:
I am in my 30s, have never been married and my entire life is in my room.
Having read that sentence the only thing my childish brain can come up with is 'You bagless cnut!'

No need to thank me.
Not the marrying type :D ya big beefer
 
#15
Some nice comments, thank you.

I used the example of catchrags to try and inject some humour. My point is why should a civvie contractor who I do not know have access to my personal living space where I could be reasonably be expected not to have to lock everything I own away in a locked drawer when I have a locked door. No I do not speak Klingon or do I bat for the rainbow bus.

Gone are the days where all an individual has in a room is bed locker and 1157. I own a lot of electrical equipment and I own several guitars.

The room is quite small and I keep my quite expensive bike behind the door. If you don't klnow its there you could damage it opening the door.

If someone is coming to look at an electrical problem, I would unplug things, a plumbing problem I would make sure nothing is in the way of the water (like my laundry basket that lives in the shower agin due to limited space).

This is not a rant about ownership. This is requesting that respectful notice is given before my personal living space is entered by some civvie contractor unsupervised with a master key.
 
#16
insert-coin-here said:
I have a bit of sympathy here,block inspections ect fine...but why should he have to put up with some civvy c*nt pitching up unannounced to his w@nk chariot?

It's little niggling things like this,that can add to a blokes disenchantment with the mob.Some heads up or common courtesy is not being unreasonable.
Agreed.
 
#17
I have had a response from the chain of command. Basically due to lack of manning, contractors are not escorted. The current contract does not allow for a system whereby any notification need be given. Thats the way it is. Lump it.

We are going to discuss this at the next mess meeting but I can see that after asking nicely, I need to back up what I think should be right (24 hours considerate notice).

To carry out a room inspection I have to give notice why not the contractors?
 
#18
Dread said:
Gren said:
I was going to reply to this post with, " its the armed forces, not civi street"

But thought no, some moany git will have a go at me.

So I shall answer it in the manner it seems to work on here.

You are living in military accomodation, owned by the MOD, supplied to you by the QM dept.
You dont have a tenancy agreement, nor are you a private tenant.
You pay a minimal amount of "rent" shall we say, for the said accomodation, and you want rights to stop people entering who have a key?
Get a grip

What has become of the armed forces? tenants rights? for gods sake, you will be wanting personal trainers and jamie oliver to cook your meals next.
Gren: believe it or not, but the Army has changed in the last 121 years since you served.

Rent is not "minimal": it is rapidly being brought up to commercial levels (non-London levels thankfully). It will soon make little financial difference to a soldier whether he lives in the block or shares a house/flat in town.

As rent is paid, the occupants have full rights as described under relevant tenant/landlord legislation.

Im not that fecking old you cheeky git, and im sorry, but there is no way on this earth, a single soldier will pay anything like the cost of renting a civi place.
Accom and food for how much a month?
Do squaddies on camp now pay, water rates, elec bills, gas bills, community charge, tv licence, and rent, before they have to pay for food as well?
No, so sorry mate, but it is a damn site cheaper, to live on camp.

Im not saying I dont agree that notice could or should be given, the way the question was asked is what im digging about.
Its rights for this and rights for that, that gets on my tits, not that someone wants to be informed they will have someone working in there little bit of space.

It isnt much to ask, as has already been said, that a note is made on PtII orders, or someone just say "by the way, on monday" etc etc
Im digging at the we all have rights bollix, im sorry but its going too far these days.

And sorry mate, but the MOD/QM dept doesnt make tenancy agreements with every room they sign out on camp, so your bit about tenancy rights is bollix too.
You sign for a room and whats in it, where does it say, "this is a tenancy agreement"?


Or has the army changed that much in a few years?

Apart from the fact a tenancy agreement isnt worth the paper its written on anyway, is besides the point.

Squatters have more rights to the property than landlords.

Im not a lawyer, but I had squatters in one of my houses, and trust me, the law helps them more, so im not spouting bollix, ive been there.
 
#19
Gren said:
Dread said:
Gren said:
I was going to reply to this post with, " its the armed forces, not civi street"

But thought no, some moany git will have a go at me.

So I shall answer it in the manner it seems to work on here.

You are living in military accomodation, owned by the MOD, supplied to you by the QM dept.
You dont have a tenancy agreement, nor are you a private tenant.
You pay a minimal amount of "rent" shall we say, for the said accomodation, and you want rights to stop people entering who have a key?
Get a grip

What has become of the armed forces? tenants rights? for gods sake, you will be wanting personal trainers and jamie oliver to cook your meals next.
Gren: believe it or not, but the Army has changed in the last 121 years since you served.

Rent is not "minimal": it is rapidly being brought up to commercial levels (non-London levels thankfully). It will soon make little financial difference to a soldier whether he lives in the block or shares a house/flat in town.

As rent is paid, the occupants have full rights as described under relevant tenant/landlord legislation.

Im not that fecking old you cheeky git, and im sorry, but there is no way on this earth, a single soldier will pay anything like the cost of renting a civi place.
Accom and food for how much a month?
Do squaddies on camp now pay, water rates, elec bills, gas bills, community charge, tv licence, and rent, before they have to pay for food as well?
No, so sorry mate, but it is a damn site cheaper, to live on camp.

Im not saying I dont agree that notice could or should be given, the way the question was asked is what im digging about.
Its rights for this and rights for that, that gets on my tits, not that someone wants to be informed they will have someone working in there little bit of space.

It isnt much to ask, as has already been said, that a note is made on PtII orders, or someone just say "by the way, on monday" etc etc
Im digging at the we all have rights bollix, im sorry but its going too far these days.

And sorry mate, but the MOD/QM dept doesnt make tenancy agreements with every room they sign out on camp, so your bit about tenancy rights is bollix too.
You sign for a room and whats in it, where does it say, "this is a tenancy agreement"?


Or has the army changed that much in a few years?

Apart from the fact a tenancy agreement isnt worth the paper its written on anyway, is besides the point.

Squatters have more rights to the property than landlords.

Im not a lawyer, but I had squatters in one of my houses, and trust me, the law helps them more, so im not spouting bollix, ive been there.
I am asking about rights because I have gone down the polite and pretty route. Every answer is that we don't have the manning or its not in the contract.

I have just paid my TV licence and I pay contribution in lieu of Council tax relative to the size of the property I occupy.

I am not a barrack room lawyer and hate the principle that some people are. This one issue is the only thing I have ever complained about to the chain of command.

Married personnel are ENTITLED to a quarter. THey are ENTITLED to be present and forwarned of any visit by anybody.

Single soldiers have a room to sleep in (Not live in).

All I want is to be told that some random bloke who has picked up the job sheet for that day to carry out work I am not aware of is happening to a fault I have not reported who doesn't leave a note that he has been there.
 
#20
I don't know wjether you smoke but if you do you are supposed to make sure that your room has been aired for at least an hour before a workman enters it.
Equally if you leave kit lying around and a workman hurts himself on it or because of it he could sue you for damages.
In both those instances it seems only right and fair that you should be given some notice. Especially as you are a senior rank.
 

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