Live8 - Whats your take?

What`s your take on Live8 (Geldoffest)

  • A worthwhile and noble idea, destined to help millions and truly make a difference in this world

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  • A good(ish) idea, perhaps not too well executed, but bound to help a few people

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  • Undecided-I might buy the album

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  • Pretty crass self-promotion by a bunch of to$$ers

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  • Don't particularly give a sh*t

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#2
clicked dont give a sh it but i wanted a dont give a sh it about africa option.
 
#3
Charity begins at home. lets sort out our own shit before everyone elses. And Geldof is a moon unit...
 
#4
I fully agree with HH, lets help our veterans and their wives out first. Then once we've deposed all the corrupt leaders in Africa then lets help em.

As Grandad once said on Only fools and Horse.

" They promised us Homes fit for Heroes but all they gave was Heroes fit for Homes"

Sobering.
 
#6
So the idea is...
Lets help the poor of africa by giving free concerts to a bunch of freeloading lazy westerners while at the same time helping a whole load of fading stars who are down to their last 10 million.
The compassion the gigs is breathtaking ...as long as you are one of the stars picked to perform.
 

Nehustan

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#8
Do you know, I live in London, and subsequently have disdain for many of the Africans I observe on a day to day basis, but these people are not representative of simple people in Africa. I take a few baths a day, and I do think about what that clean water means. It means health, and I think that that should be a right for all people, and believe me tho' I am a liberal and a sometimes I have a heart, I can be severe too. 30,000 children die daily, and I will be at Live 8 as I have voluteered to pass out info about 'save the children'. I have three of my own, and by the grace of God they (and me) where born here, water a plenty. I'm sure most people didn't care about children up chimneys, down mines, or dying in mills, but some did and times changed.
 
#9
Geldof and co. are a bunch of self-indulgent, do-gooding cnuts.

How many years have various charities been pouring money and aid into Africa? It's not helping because the cash and scoff are going to the wrong people, and until someone goes in and hands the tinpot dictators and rebel factions their arses on a plate, that's the way it's going to be. So, in brief:

1. Sort out our own mob first
2. Go to Africa and kill all the baddies
3. Provide just enough support and aid to get the place running again
 
#10
ScaleyFins said:
Geldof and co. are a bunch of self-indulgent, do-gooding *.

How many years have various charities been pouring money and aid into Africa? It's not helping because the cash and scoff are going to the wrong people, and until someone goes in and hands the tinpot dictators and rebel factions their arses on a plate, that's the way it's going to be. So, in brief:

1. Sort out our own mob first
2. Go to Africa and kill all the baddies
3. Provide just enough support and aid to get the place running again
Sounds about right
 
#12
Nehustan said:
Do you know, I live in London, and subsequently have disdain for many of the Africans I observe on a day to day basis, but these people are not representative of simple people in Africa. I take a few baths a day, and I do think about what that clean water means. It means health, and I think that that should be a right for all people, and believe me tho' I am a liberal and a sometimes I have a heart, I can be severe too. 30,000 children die daily, and I will be at Live 8 as I have voluteered to pass out info about 'save the children'. I have three of my own, and by the grace of God they (and me) where born here, water a plenty. I'm sure most people didn't care about children up chimneys, down mines, or dying in mills, but some did and times changed.
True, but where does it end? How much money has already been poured in to Africa to help with the problems of famine, drought and civil wars? How much money has ECOWAS pumped in to clearing debts? How much of the debts owed to Nigeria have been wiped clean?

This is a really horrible statement to make, but if the Africans continue to copulate and produce so many children; can you imagine if they all lived to a ripe old age? Then there would be serious problems. Its a harsh world, but we sometimes forget that all humans are animals. Natural selection.

Im not being anti-african or racist. Nature has its way of keeping the western, more advanced civilisations in check as well; MRSA (which attributes to only 6% of superbug deaths in the UK), AIDS, cancer. How many people do you know that has died of a form of cancer?

Lets pool all our money, pay off their debts then start a sensible sterilisation program to ensure they don't get in to debt again, until they can support themselves. Times do change, but it takes time to change. We werent much better off 400 years ago and African countries are statistically at that stage in their evolution. At the end of the day, its trying to give a cave man access to our standards of living. Yes, they'd like it, but how many would understand?
 
#13
I'm all for helping people out wherever they are in the world (hence various trips to the sandpit, etc.) , however! if putting the indigenous anglo saxon/ celtic population of the UK before all others makes me, in some peoples eyes, a n*zi, then heil f*cking H*tler, guess I'm a n*zi ...........

off now to get into dress cat 4 and get me cba on.............
 
#14
This is a really horrible statement to make, but if the Africans continue to copulate and produce so many children; can you imagine if they all lived to a ripe old age?
There is no need to allow nature to keep civilisations in check... as these societies become more developed their people will automatically start having fewer children... as child mortality falls parents will be certain their children will survive into adulthood and will be able to look after their parents in their old age... all societies go through these stages... more on the stages here http://geography.about.com/od/culturalgeography/a/demotransition.htm

no need for enforced sterilization programs or anything distasteful like that... just plenty of sex education, access to condoms and make sure there are no religous reasons for not using contraception (thinking of the catholic church here)...

Tricam.
 
#15
tricam said:
no need for enforced sterilization programs or anything distasteful like that... just plenty of sex education, access to condoms and make sure there are no religous reasons for not using contraception (thinking of the catholic church here)...

Tricam.
Fair point, what I find more distasteful is the fact that these poor kids are being born in to a society where their parents know there is little chance of them surviving. I wouldnt have a child if I knew there was only a 10% chance of them surviving as there is no food. Having children to support you in old age is, in my own civilised view, cruel. Especially when you know they are going to suffer just the same as you did, if not more.
 
#17
I too think many of these pop stars are twats... geldof himself is a bit rude in interviews, they think anyone who disagrees with them are evil racist bigots, they've come up with some crap ideas such as Sail-8... I am pretty suspicious of their motives... is it just publicity for their new album? are they trying to assuage some of their own feelings of guilt?... however, I don't really care how pure their motives are... they have actually done some good... they have made the third world into a political issue... for example, the Irish Taoseach got a real bollocking in the dail yesterday because Ireland will fail to meet its commitment of spending 0.7% of GDP on aid by 2007... the pressure from Bono et al will help force governments to live up to their commitments...

As an aside, I suspect Bush is firmly in the lower quartile of the American population, he is inarticulate, possibly in the pocket of big business, ignorant of the world outside North America... was Iraq all about oil? Again I don't really care... the Iraqis were liberated - that's the crucial thing... (and if we hadn't made a mess of the aftermath then things could have been grand by now).

Tricam.

Hope I used 'assuage' in the right context.
 
#18
"...the pressure from Bono et al will help force governments to live up to their commitments..."

I don't recall voting for Bonio or any other Irish git. Neither, I believe, did any of the Irish.
 

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#19
I voted for option 2 - it is a good idea but will only help a few. The few it will help are the aging tosspots who are pushing for this.

This world at present could IMHO support all the humans and other species, but only if human nature changes. This will not happen. The G8 nations could wipe out all 3rd world debt and not really notice it. A couple of pence on the income tax and you all would still be living a much greater lifestyle than those in 3rd world countries - not just Africa (which really is a continent not a country).

The G8 countries could throw as much money as they like at the 3rd world but until a way of stopping the top tribe and the chief of that tribe from siphoning off the cash to bank in G8 countries (or those very close to them- Switzerland, Lichtenstein et al) then not a lot will happen for the locals.

Billions of cash is given to countries who then use it to buy arms from the countries that gave the cash in the first place (one of the main reasons for giving the money in the first place).

Now, in my enlightened state, I would like to see money going to these countries, but used to set up safe havens where people can live and prosper. It will happen eventually, but not in my lifetime I think.

The other posters, who have given their opinion and are perfectly entitled to do so, are doing it with a full belly. I can only say try it from the other side (I haven't and don't want to) before being so vociferous in denying help to people who not only can't help themselves, but are not allowed to do so.

Continuing on a personal note, if someone 'offed' Geldorf or Bono I would not lose one wink of sleep.

Ladies and Gentlemen - I thank you.
 

Nehustan

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#20
Auld-Yin said:
The other posters, who have given their opinion and are perfectly entitled to do so, are doing it with a full belly. I can only say try it from the other side (I haven't and don't want to) before being so vociferous in denying help to people who not only can't help themselves, but are not allowed to do so.
I have slept rough, friends couches, 'bombed out' houses, squatted, begged, eaten from bins, stolen, etc., but I can read and write, and when I turn the tap clean water comes out, so I am rich. Auld Yin, it is said that if you can change something by your hand change it, if you can't, change it with your mouth, and if that will not work and you have no power, change it in your head/heart.

God Bless you.
 
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