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Little bit hacked off

#1
Turns out I can't join regular army as my living costs are to high for the basic training wage to cover them (I have a family and I'm not council so I pay for everything). So decided to ask the company I've worked for 10 years if they would support me joking the TA. They said no as no one would be able to cover my job for 6 months if and when I'm mobilised even though they have around 300 employees.
 

Forastero

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#3
Turns out I can't join regular army as my living costs are to high for the basic training wage to cover them (I have a family and I'm not council so I pay for everything). So decided to ask the company I've worked for 10 years if they would support me joking the TA. They said no as no one would be able to cover my job for 6 months if and when I'm mobilised even though they have around 300 employees.
But they can't sack if you do, it's against the law innit.
 
#4
I thought so to. Decided to ring the careers office and they basically said yes the company can do that. I think it may of been different if they hired me whilst i was in the TA, as when you return they have to hire you for 13, 26 or 52 weeks on return but they can't sack you on grounds of being a reservist.
 
#5
I've never heard of a recruit being refused induction into the Regular Army because he wouldn't make enough money before. :? It didn't seem to be a problem in my day when the press gang came around.

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#6
Trust me it happened. I ended up talking to a warrant officer for over half an hour about finances. It boiled down to that I/we would have enough money to pay all the bills but I wouldn't have enough to live on on base ? Came down to the best conclusion was to join the TA as they don't take financial status into consideration.
 
#7
Put it this way m8 if you want it hard enough you should go for it, why have regrets later, I would be highly surprised if a company could or would fire someone who joins the TA, imagine the bad press.

Plus a company who doesn't openly support the forces in any way shape or form sound like a bunch of pricks.

Give them the two fingers mate and go for it !
 
#8
I had the same problem, so my wife and daughter are moving in with her parents while I'm in basic, is this something you could do?
 
#10
No not enough room in both parents house's. That's what has caused the problem we had to move into a bigger place half way through the joining process for the regular army.
 
#12
It boiled down to that I/we would have enough money to pay all the bills but I wouldn't have enough to live on on base ?
I've never been in a married quarter that cost me more than £200 a month for rent and council tax combined.

If your company don't want you joining the TA then tough. You could go against your boss' wishes if you really want to but I wouldn't have thought that shitting on the people putting a roof over your head and food on your table is the best idea in the world.
 
#13
They can basically turn round and say if and when I'm mobilised they won't keep my civilian job open. It's a nice way of putting if you join the TA don't expect your job available when you get back.
I'd have to check but I'm almost convinced that under RFA96 they cannot (legally) do that and if they did, you could take them to court. That's not to say that they wouldn't find a way to bin you but unless you've been a complete cnut, they'd be on properly sticky ground.

What sort of company is it?
 
#14
I'd have to check but I'm almost convinced that under RFA96 they cannot (legally) do that and if they did, you could take them to court. That's not to say that they wouldn't find a way to bin you but unless you've been a complete cnut, they'd be on properly sticky ground.

What sort of company is it?
It's a logistical company. Best thing is I also want to join RLC so they will even benefit from me joining.
 
#16
It's a logistical company. Best thing is I also want to join RLC so they will even benefit from me joining.
You have the upper hand from a legal standpoint but as someone else has said, it's a different ballgame going head to head with a company that says it won't support you. What is does tell me is that your company doesn't understand what the TA does (most don't to be honest) nor what it can get back in return from just your normal training and financially if you're deployed. Depends how much it means to you and how much you want to get your company onside but it can be done. They can't stop you joining the TA but they may have a wobble about deployments. In any case, unless your job is highly technical I'd be amazed if a company with 300 pers in it would not be able to absorb your absence.
 
#17
The protection is that legally they have to offer you the same or equivalent job on return from mobilisation. I'm not sure about the situation when you're trying to join the TA, other than that you have to tell them you're applying. There are employers' packs available, ask the PSAO at wherever you're applying to find one for you. That may help them to understand it all.
 

TheIronDuke

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#18
It's a logistical company.
Is that like a bunch of van drivers delivering stuff?

You have got them by the balls. "Van driver sacked for serving his country". Think about it.

Or, do what I did when I wanted to join the army but Mummy said I must not mix with rough boys from the Council estate. I found an alternative.

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#19
Trust me it happened. I ended up talking to a warrant officer for over half an hour about finances. It boiled down to that I/we would have enough money to pay all the bills but I wouldn't have enough to live on on base ? Came down to the best conclusion was to join the TA as they don't take financial status into consideration.
Well it depends whether or not you need DV, but to be fair it's the DVA or whatever they are called now that does that and as a loggie - unless going for EOD/WIS type thing I wouldn't imagine it to be a concern. But on that note - why be a loggie just because your civvie employment is in that field? Surely you mught be able to sell it better by joining, say the INT Corps and then adding value by gaining skills that you wouldn't get otherwise?

Basically your employer has misunderstood the SOP. Yes, you would have a liability to be compulsarily mobilised but they would still be able to appeal it. If they have stated that they would not keep your job for you IF you were mobilised AND your AND their appeal was unsuccesful, you have a very very good case for constructive dismissal IF that situation were to occur.

Basically they have fucked up. You now have 3 choices: Go ahead and join up, letting them know that you have a record of the conversation that stated that they would sack you in the event of mobilisation but that you have no intention of "intelligently" mobilising and risk them finding some other clever way of letting you go.
Join a unit that does not have the requirement that most of the reserve has of informing your employer that you are a member.
Join up and don't inform them until trhe absolutely last moment and then get SABRE to do whatever the **** it is they pretend to do on your behalf in order to calm the waters.
 
#20
Is that like a bunch of van drivers delivering stuff?

You have got them by the balls. "Van driver sacked for serving his country". Think about it.

Or, do what I did when I wanted to join the army but Mummy said I must not mix with rough boys from the Council estate. I found an alternative.

The Scout Association

Best decision I ever made. I have moved on from the dark days and now I feel like a man.
Well i'm not doing much at the moment big boy!
 

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