Literacy & Numeracy drive CLM

#1
Just had an interesting email from my PSAO with regard to the aspiration to match regular army practise with the provision of CLM courses in the TA.

They now want my exam certificates from school so they can match them with a list of permitted courses and do some magic.

The only downside of this is I left school 28 years ago and Uni 20 years ago. Since then I've moved at least 6 times all told. I couldn't even tell you which exam board I sat in 1981. I could get a replacement piece of card paper from Uni but they wanted some silly sum of money for it and since no one ever asks to see the damm thing, they just check to see what the Uni published at the time.........

Anyone esle think they're going to have a few problems finding exam results from the dim and distant past ?
 
#2
suck it up princess time i fear ...

verification of Qualifications is a big issue in general at present... there are health professionals who have been struck off for being a bit generous in their mis remembering of grades at school
 
#3
suck it up princess time i fear ...

verification of Qualifications is a big issue in general at present... there are health professionals who have been struck off for being a bit generous in their mis remembering of grades at school
I can understand checking Health Professional's qualifications, thro I'd be looking sideways at the idea of a properly qualified professional who has passed all their professional cources at the required standard being sacked for claiming a GCSE Grade B instead of a Grade D...

However. How many people will just laugh when asked to provide exam certificates from 10 years ago, let alone 20 years ago. How many TA bods required to waste their restricted MTD's on training courses that really will have little or no relevance to their real life will actually bother ?
 
#4
I suspect they will laugh until they are told their promotion is on hold until they provide them
 

The_Duke

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#6
This is no more or less sensible than insisting that all new applicants sit a basic literacy and numeracy test to see if they have reached the education level of an 11 year old, despite them holding GCSEs, A levels or honours degrees.
 
#7
Just as well that MTD-sucking shibboleth that is CLM(V) has been 'parked' until such time as DETS(A) can prove that it has a point.
 
#9
I've got my exam certs from 198<cough> goodness me is that the time ? You can scan them if you want, although I'm not sure a CSE grade3 in Domestic Science and a fail in Social Studies would be much use.
 
#12
This is about to come crashing down upon all of us, I have yet to see the detail of it but we have just warned our Squadrons off on it, my experience of recently liaising with Warrant Officers about their qualifications showed that only 1 in 4 had and could prove they had the required number of GCSE's to commission. To be honest I was aghast that their admin is that bad that they cannot prove their qualifications - however after speaking to some of the above that are good friends, I am now convinced it is a generational thing. I have a folder in the safe that contains all of my transcripts and certificates from school onwards, they are my licence to work!
 
#13
verification of Qualifications is a big issue in general at present... there are health professionals who have been struck off for being a bit generous in their mis remembering of grades at school
Struck off?
Lucky not to be jailed for submitting a fraudulent job app.
 
#14
I have a folder in the safe that contains all of my transcripts and certificates from school onwards, they are my licence to work!
Is it one of those nifty black box folder type things? Perhaps we should issue them to everyone and advise them to keep all of their course certificates and other administrative bits and bobs in it. Taking this idea one stage further, I propose this be known as a PDR.

m-s-r
 
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Mr_Logic

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#16
Just had an interesting email from my PSAO with regard to the aspiration to match regular army practise with the provision of CLM courses in the TA.

They now want my exam certificates from school so they can match them with a list of permitted courses and do some magic.

The only downside of this is I left school 28 years ago and Uni 20 years ago. Since then I've moved at least 6 times all told. I couldn't even tell you which exam board I sat in 1981. I could get a replacement piece of card paper from Uni but they wanted some silly sum of money for it and since no one ever asks to see the damm thing, they just check to see what the Uni published at the time.........

Anyone esle think they're going to have a few problems finding exam results from the dim and distant past ?
If you cannot find your certificates, you do still have a couple of choices. It is likely that TA personnel will be able to complete the required assessments through the Learn Direct website, preferably at an Army Education Centre. The results will take a couple of weeks to come back to you, but that would be proof for the future. As you only have to achieve Level 2 in Literacy and Numeracy, you must only demonstrate the level expected of a seven year old. Alternately, you could go back to your Chain of Command and firmly point out that if it is a military requirement, it must be delivered through military means, on a weekend, drill night or during ADE. if they cannot resource that, ask if they will accept you doing your next promotion or trade course through an alternate (non-military) provider. They can't have it both ways.

Don't forget, one Army!
 
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Mr_Logic

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#17
By the way, it is not an aspiration, it is Chain of Command direction. All Cpls and SSgts to be done by end of Mar 13 and all other ranks to be done by something like Sep 13.
 
#18
I woz telled to do me numbers and speeling tests.

I telt thum to kiss me sory arrse.
 
#19
All Cpls and SSgts to be done by end of Mar 13 and all other ranks to be done by something like Sep 13.
There's nothing like giving yourself plenty of time to sort out something potentially problematic is there. It's a good job I can remember what I got and where the paperwork is.

Out of interest, does this mean that the civilian qualifications bit of JPI will be ressurrected? Because I'm a boring spod, I once tried to fill this in but found it inaccessible. When I asked our local spoc about it, I was told that at my lowly rank, noone was interested in what qualifications I held on the outside.
 
#20
This is about to come crashing down upon all of us, I have yet to see the detail of it but we have just warned our Squadrons off on it, my experience of recently liaising with Warrant Officers about their qualifications showed that only 1 in 4 had and could prove they had the required number of GCSE's to commission. To be honest I was aghast that their admin is that bad that they cannot prove their qualifications - however after speaking to some of the above that are good friends, I am now convinced it is a generational thing. I have a folder in the safe that contains all of my transcripts and certificates from school onwards, they are my licence to work!
In my case it's 28 years since I left school, I've moved at least 6 times, my parents divorced.

The chances of anything from age 18 hanging on in my home is pretty much nil, I don't even hang on to wage slips over 5 years old.... !

Then again. Since I have no interest in promotion at all.....
 

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