Lister standing engine

TheIronDuke

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#1
Hi guys. I have always admired chaps who dont give a rats about black fingernails, you know?

Right, heres the deal.

Just back from a lovely wedding do in the country and having had a few too many free drinks, and the Memsahib having gone to bed... I find myself alone with my laptop.

I should have gone for DonkeyFarmyardSluts.org, I really should.

Instead I went to eBay. And bid on a Lister standing engine. A Lister G1, which I think is a single cylinder standing engine. Its a runner, but I bet the big ends are fukced.

No problem. Its a winter project and happy days in my shed. That is not why I need your expertese. I can do white bearings and at a push, rebore the frocking thing.

The reason I come to you is this.

I've bought it, but I aint got a scoobie what to do with it.

I got a river. Extensive woods, a garden and a wife who is asking what the frock I am doing buying a Lister standing engine.

You see my problem?

Any advice welcome.
 
#2
TheIronDuke said:
Hi guys. I have always admired chaps who dont give a rats about black fingernails, you know?

Right, heres the deal.

Just back from a lovely wedding do in the country and having had a few too many free drinks, and the Memsahib having gone to bed... I find myself alone with my laptop.

I should have gone for DonkeyFarmyardSluts.org, I really should.

Instead I went to eBay. And bid on a Lister standing engine. A Lister G1, which I think is a single cylinder standing engine. Its a runner, but I bet the big ends are fukced.

No problem. Its a winter project and happy days in my shed. That is not why I need your expertese. I can do white bearings and at a push, rebore the frocking thing.

The reason I come to you is this.

I've bought it, but I aint got a scoobie what to do with it.

I got a river. Extensive woods, a garden and a wife who is asking what the frock I am doing buying a Lister standing engine.

You see my problem?

Any advice welcome.
Dead easy. You use it to power a pump (preferably a really old fashioned lift pump) to lift water from the river to either:

A) A cistern near the garden.
B) An irrigation system with canals and so on that runs through the woods to the garden.
C) A cistern that feeds a fountain in a garden pond.
D) some other interesting combination of "A", "B" and "C"
 
#3
Use the engine to power a machine that will plant saplings in the forest to off set EXACTLY the emitions generated by running the engine.
 
#4
Suggestion 1.) Mount it on a plinth in your front yard. Put a plaque underneath engraved with 'I could have gone to DonkeyFarmyardSluts.org but instead I made this fine investment'.

2.) Tie a rope round it and the other end round your neck. Drag it to a high bridge. You know the rest.

As some bloke said in the other thread, it's human nature to find humour in other peoples misfortunes when along you could have gone to DonkeyFarmyardSluts.org

lol
 
#5
I'm going to display an embarrassing amount of spotterdom here, but they are called stationary engines, so if you start Googling under that you can no doubt soon the various things that were run off them. What form of output does it have - does it have a flat belt pulley which was the usual thing? If it does then you can run anything with an equivalent pulley and the right sized belt.
 
#6
Subscribe to Tractor and Machinery magazine. All the bits to go with it can be found therein.

Psst..

2 weeks ago I did the same thing whilst p1ssed and ended up with a 1958 Fordson Major tractor with a front lift and pulley wheel.
 
#7
Use the engine to power a welding system, allowing you to cunningly build a battle tank in your garden shed, a la A-Team...
 

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#9
Cheers for the advice. Last year I bought 2 old 4' circular saw blades at an agricultural show, so a bench saw looks favourite. The thing puts out 7hp at 1500rpm so it should be up to the job.

JoseyWales said:
2 weeks ago I did the same thing whilst p1ssed and ended up with a 1958 Fordson Major tractor with a front lift and pulley wheel.
Heh. Thats my retirement plan. I know where theres a couple of these quietly rusting...



Seems they came over as part of the Septics lend-lease in WW2. My plan is to restore them, I get one, the farmer gets one. I havent told the wife, so the Lister will get her used to the idea. Of a huge, steel wheeled monster rumbling round the place.
 
#10
Hmm, extensive woods and a standing machine?
Why not build your own little sawmill to make your fireplace wood.

Just a tought...
 
#11
Lister standing engine + extensive woodlands + a belt driven circular saw bench = solved your winter heating problems if you coppice the woods in rotation.

When I were a lad...

...We had a Lister (twin fly-wheels and a water pot on top of the cylinder for cooling) belt driving a FOGB brass water pump - ball and cage on a shaft, 2.5" bore pipe with a 9" throw. It pumped the household water up from a 110 foot well and took about an hour run to fill a 1,000 gallon tank.

One of my chores was to start the engine when the tank level dropped to the last quarter. The starting handle weighed about 15lbs and you had to get the thing turning at a fair old rate before the Lister decided to give a cough and then chug into life -
- NB: Never take a normal grip on a starting handle; always keep you thumb beside your fingers. Otherwise, if the engine backfires, it'll tear your thumb off!

One day I failed to pull the handle off the shaft in time, as the engine fired up, and the bloody handle was threshing around like a mad thing! I scooted out of the engine shed faster than a fast thing, wondering where the handle was going to end up. 8O

A few seconds later I had the answer- there was a loud crack and the handle went spinning through the engine shed roof- about fifty feet into the air and landed on one of my old Dad's prized standard roses! :x

I wasn't too popular but my old man splinted and spliced the briar stock, around a sliver of remaining bark and the rose survived but it took a long while for my pocket money to regain its former level!
 

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#12
OldAdam said:
- NB: Never take a normal grip on a starting handle; always keep you thumb beside your fingers. Otherwise, if the engine backfires, it'll tear your thumb off!
!
And when kick starting a BSA 500, or indeed a Norton Commando, turn the bars to the left. Otherwise, if it backfires you will spend your old age limping due to your cracked kneecap.

Its arrived. The block, gearbox and sledge on the drive until I can make a pallet sledge and get it down 3 terraces without spazzing the wifes roses. The rest (radiator, fan, head, various bolts, casings and the cap of a wasp spray tin which covers the exhaust... aye... are in the shed).

Its in bits, but no wear on the bore, and no play on the flywheel. I have high hopes. And I wish I had a fiver for every time I've said that. I'll post pics if I can be arrsed.

It needs a head gasket, and although Lister didnt change the block on single cylnder motors for 30 years, I dont think it needs copper and asbestos. Its a low compression engine. Any ideas? Leather maybe?

Also, is there a heterosexual version of Hermatite does anyone know?
 
#13
TheIronDuke said:
OldAdam said:
- NB: Never take a normal grip on a starting handle; always keep you thumb beside your fingers. Otherwise, if the engine backfires, it'll tear your thumb off!
!
And when kick starting a BSA 500, or indeed a Norton Commando, turn the bars to the left. Otherwise, if it backfires you will spend your old age limping due to your cracked kneecap.

Its arrived. The block, gearbox and sledge on the drive until I can make a pallet sledge and get it down 3 terraces without spazzing the wifes roses. The rest (radiator, fan, head, various bolts, casings and the cap of a wasp spray tin which covers the exhaust... aye... are in the shed).

Its in bits, but no wear on the bore, and no play on the flywheel. I have high hopes. And I wish I had a fiver for every time I've said that. I'll post pics if I can be arrsed.

It needs a head gasket, and although Lister didnt change the block on single cylnder motors for 30 years, I dont think it needs copper and asbestos. Its a low compression engine. Any ideas? Leather maybe?

Also, is there a heterosexual version of Hermatite does anyone know?
I doubt leather will do the job!

I've used klingersil on a small petrol engine before. It worked but the engine died of something else shortly afterwards so no idea if it would last.

It shouldn't be hard to find out what the original had. The thickness is the most important thing. Find the right thickness and you could probably get away with a soft copper shim gasket.

There are loads of magazines and groups for this sort of thing so you should be able to just buy one.
 
#16
Duke,

I had to go to Romford to pick up the Major and I hired a trailer for the job. Started out 0700.

Got there and put it on the trailer and the front wheels of the Rangerover came off the ground by 2 feet I reckon.

So, reverse back and take off the front lift and bucket. There is always a bolt that you cannot shift isn't there and it was pouring with rain.

2 hours later, after many an 'F' was thrown around, we loaded it bxgger. I arrived at the Skirrid pitch at about 1700 hours and did a sharp left only to be met by Smithy pulling up the pitch with a horse trailer. More 'F's exchanged, we passed within an inch.

Arrived at the house to be greeted by, " Hell boy, you must have been p1ssed when you bought this "

But they all ended up in audience when I was driving it. A good sound engine and no smoke. Took me back to a kid when I drove it.

Bloody 'ell.
 
#17
As a college boy in the 70's, leather and red haematite sorted most things bar cylinder heads on anything up to rally-prepped British Leyland A+ series engines running at high comps. Mini Cooper S at 110 bhp etc. Find a welder's apron at poundland, or maybe fivepoundland for now, razor it out then soak it in oil overnight and be ready to torque up three or four times until the drips stop.

If it's love, then any firm supplying gaskets can probably sort you a good 'un, if you're paying. Industrial sluts: they're dirty, and they know you want it. It's only a kid running copper rings round a template, FFS, and the 'U' shape copper comes on a strip anyway. Trouble is, who wants a mile of copper strip as a minimium purchase?

BTW, well done, your purchase beats our mate, who woke up from pissedland face down, naked, in bed, with cold pizza smeared about his loins, having 'won' a £400 radio-controlled helicopter on ebay according to his computer. He's not even remotely interested in helicopters. Hah!
 

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#18
JoseyWales said:
Got there and put it on the trailer and the front wheels of the Rangerover came off the ground by 2 feet I reckon.
Hah. Quality. I wasnt going to share this with the group, but since we're all having our mid-life crisis...

Saturday afternoon and it had stopped raining, so I thought "I can just finish the bottom lawn. The steep sloping one. I wont bother getting my steely riggers out the shed, I'll just do it in these old worn suede shoes I wear in the garden"

"AAAAARGH". That'll be me toenail away, under the Flymo, and lucky it wasnt worse.

Sunday morning at 07.00 I'm in me mates borrowed van, right foot looking like The Mummy's foot, driving very carefully to pick up me engine. Which we load using a crane, me hopping on one foot and staying well wide.

4 hours later I get home and the wife says "How do you intend to get that thing off the back of the van alone, Hopalong?"

A good question, and one I had not considered.



Thanks for the advice on the gasket. I've joined a couple of old engine forums. Where a major question is...

Do you paint it up and polish it? Or get it running like a sewing machine but leave it in its rusty, original glory? Another question I hadnt considered.

This is what it looks like - its a G2, not a G1. Except mine is in lots of bits.

 

ugly

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#19
I seem to recall Lister making gen sets for siggies, I was asked to start a few being a chunkie they figured I could move most things!
 

ugly

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#20
Whilst prowling the back area of the south of England show this afternoon I happened upon (I didnt come across as I'm not REME!) this little beastie, usual apologies as the dtg is wrong since I dropped the camera last year and cant use the rear screen.
I also have no idea what the pic is like until I get it home.

 

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