Likely to fail degree. What to do?

#1
Hello all,

Long story short I chose to study the wrong degree (Maths). I'm likely to fail as I don't have the skills or passion to do well. I am likely to be awarded a Higher National Diploma however. I am wondering if this will cut the mustard in terms of being considered a graduate? I cannot seem to find information on what the army considers a graduate anywhere.

Any help would be appreciated.

Cheers,

Paddy
 
#2
I'm guessing that with the shortage of Maths teachers and the Government's push to raise the standard of Maths education; that your HND would be held in high regard. Have you looked into wether you could go to Teacher Training College instead?

As for accurate answers about what the Army thinks, best move is to ask at your Carrears Office.
 
#3
Thanks but teaching maths would mean the blind leading the blind. I asked at the RM careers bit before I had a change of heart, their line was "It doesn't matter, you're just getting beasted everyday so you won't care how much you're earning or how quickly you're getting promoted." the guy also evidently didn't know anything as he told me three A-levels weren't enough to join as he got them confused with Scottish highers.

Just curious as to if anyone on here knew..
 
#4
Times seem to have changed. In my day, if you failed any year in your degree course, you could drop onto the HND course, but you'd still have to pass the HND exams. Says a lot for modern education if you can be awarded a Diploma for failing a different course.
 
#5
Work harder and stop wasting your time on Arrse.
 
#7
1) work Harder.
2) If you have not pissed away all four years, how about changing Major.
3) If you have pissed away too much time, how the hell do you miss in the first two years that you are not remotely numerate.
4) Sounds like you did not pay attention to (3) and have so poor a grade that they will not even award you a Third (worthless peice of Uni' confetti)

5) Have you thought about a rewarding career in retail?
 
#8
Hello all,

Long story short I chose to study the wrong degree (Maths). I'm likely to fail as I don't have the skills or passion to do well. I am likely to be awarded a Higher National Diploma however. I am wondering if this will cut the mustard in terms of being considered a graduate? I cannot seem to find information on what the army considers a graduate anywhere.

Any help would be appreciated.

Cheers,

Paddy
My useless arse of a brother in law managed to score a Maths teacher job with a ba in business and basket weaving. You should at least get on the course.
 
#12
The army will not consider you a graduate without a degree. You can top up a HND to a Bachelor degree (without honours) by doing a short 60 credit course - for example with the Open University.

The Army make no distinctions between honours and non-honours degrees. This would take at least a year mind. Don't know how much of a rush you're in.

My recommendation - if you can, knuckle down and finish the degree you're on.
 

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#13
You're all missing the point. Paddy, you should immediately sue your secondary school, the careers adviser and your old maths teacher for failing to tell you that you're not suited for a maths degree. You should cite your lost military career in the tribunals in order to get more sympathy and money. It's the modern way.
 
#14
There were people on my CC who had a pass at degree level (ie below a 3rd) and were still recognised as being graduates, at that time it was about £4K a year extra and they got an extra 2.5 years seniority which meant Lt after 1 year and Captain some 2 years after that. I believe certainly that timelines and seniority have changed since then.

I couldn't find the information via google and websites either, however there should be a specific recruiter assigned to your university, I would contact that individual and speak to them.

otherwise the only other answer would be keep your feet in the Intray of your recruitment office.

good luck
 
#17
You will certainley be able to apply for commision, give it a go, see what happens. You wont be considered a graduate as stated earlier, however this shouldnt matter. Grads and non grads are now starting to be seen in the same light post Sandhurst, so promotion times to Lt then Captain will fall in line with that of grads. you might just have a pants starting salary at Sandhurst.

Just join the RLC, make RSM and save the world.
 
#18
If you're planning on joining before 2013 you'll be considered a non-grad with a HND and paid accordingly but as I understand, it'll be brought into line with grad pay after that. The timelines have now been balanced i.e. captain in 3 years regardless of holding a few A levels or a PhD.
 
#19
If you're planning on joining before 2013 you'll be considered a non-grad with a HND and paid accordingly but as I understand, it'll be brought into line with grad pay after that. The timelines have now been balanced i.e. captain in 3 years regardless of holding a few A levels or a PhD.
I know ranks are being normalised but I did not realise this extended to pay. News to me.
 
#20
Thanks for the replies.

I've not done my AOSB briefing yet but if all goes to plan I'd like to start Sandhurst in September 2013. It is a fair point that I could have tried harder, but I only started to switch off when I realised I wasn't cut out for maths and didn't enjoy it. I toyed with the idea of changing degree but decided to try and stick it out so I could get a degree faster and move on.

What I'm most interested is the seniority given to graduates and if this is worth sticking at uni a bit longer. I noticed someone post about timelines being balanced? I couldn't find anything in the information pack or online about this. Can someone shed some light?

Cheers lads,

Paddy
 

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