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Likelihood of Infantry Platoon Commander after Sandhurst?

#1
Hello all,

I was at an Airshow recently, and when talking to an Army recruitment office, I expressed an potential future interest in joining as an Officer in the Infantry. However, the recruiter I was talking to proceeded to say that only very top Sandhurst graduates are considered for Infantry regiment command following comission.

Could anyone please tell me how accurate this is?

Cheers.
 
#2
Infantry only picking those cadets that are in the top third is something that has been discussed before. Do a search for the thread.
 
#3
Depending on the regiment (I'm not naming any and starting a fight) you can get into an infantry batallion from the middle third. Bottom third however is right out. So with the right selection of regiment you can have up to a 66% chance.
 
#4
Start the process mate! Go see your Army Officers Careers Advisor, most infantry regiments that I've spoken to always mention that they take the best officers, but who says you wouldn't be in that top 3rd?
 

cpunk

LE
Moderator
#7
broken_man said:
Depending on the regiment (I'm not naming any and starting a fight) you can get into an infantry batallion from the middle third. Bottom third however is right out. So with the right selection of regiment you can have up to a 66% chance.
I suspect that every regiment and corps in the army says this and yet, strangely, you don't find a third of the Commissioning Course heading for the Camberley Job Centre the day after Sovereign's Parade.
 
#8
cpunk said:
broken_man said:
Depending on the regiment (I'm not naming any and starting a fight) you can get into an infantry batallion from the middle third. Bottom third however is right out. So with the right selection of regiment you can have up to a 66% chance.
I suspect that every regiment and corps in the army says this and yet, strangely, you don't find a third of the Commissioning Course heading for the Camberley Job Centre the day after Sovereign's Parade.
Which corps and regiments would say " don't worry chap do your worst at RMSA, we only accept bottom third cadets...." ?
 
#9
broken_man said:
Depending on the regiment (I'm not naming any and starting a fight) you can get into an infantry batallion from the middle third. Bottom third however is right out. So with the right selection of regiment you can have up to a 66% chance.
The Rifles recruiting officer (a really decent guy, by the way) told me the he has seen EVERY regiment take candidates from the second third for one reason or another. That includes the paras, so I think most regiments don't tell the truth about that kind of thing.

The Infantry is meant to be fairly competitive, but selection for a place is a function of performance at interview, fit in the officers mess, fit with the soldiers and performance at Sandhurst. The weight they apply to each if these seems to vary somewhat. Some regiments also take intelligence and, occasionally, sporting prowess into account.
 
#10
Xoums said:
cpunk said:
broken_man said:
Depending on the regiment (I'm not naming any and starting a fight) you can get into an infantry batallion from the middle third. Bottom third however is right out. So with the right selection of regiment you can have up to a 66% chance.
I suspect that every regiment and corps in the army says this and yet, strangely, you don't find a third of the Commissioning Course heading for the Camberley Job Centre the day after Sovereign's Parade.
Which corps and regiments would say " don't worry chap do your worst at RMSA, we only accept bottom third cadets...." ?
RAMC for non-PQO??
 

cpunk

LE
Moderator
#11
Cuddles said:
Xoums said:
cpunk said:
broken_man said:
Depending on the regiment (I'm not naming any and starting a fight) you can get into an infantry batallion from the middle third. Bottom third however is right out. So with the right selection of regiment you can have up to a 66% chance.
I suspect that every regiment and corps in the army says this and yet, strangely, you don't find a third of the Commissioning Course heading for the Camberley Job Centre the day after Sovereign's Parade.
Which corps and regiments would say " don't worry chap do your worst at RMSA, we only accept bottom third cadets...." ?
RAMC for non-PQO??
I bet they still claim they're looking at the top third...
 
#12
cpunk said:
Cuddles said:
Xoums said:
cpunk said:
broken_man said:
Depending on the regiment (I'm not naming any and starting a fight) you can get into an infantry batallion from the middle third. Bottom third however is right out. So with the right selection of regiment you can have up to a 66% chance.
I suspect that every regiment and corps in the army says this and yet, strangely, you don't find a third of the Commissioning Course heading for the Camberley Job Centre the day after Sovereign's Parade.
Which corps and regiments would say " don't worry chap do your worst at RMSA, we only accept bottom third cadets...." ?
RAMC for non-PQO??
I bet they still claim they're looking at the top third...
I don't think they make any claims - they just loiter at the back and wait for losers to get no offers before sweeping in! Plus you have the "joined up to find a husband" girls who are quite happy with AGC(SPS) and RLC, and then the "not as bad as they could be" girls that the RA and RE take to look like they are PC.
 
#14
A few points:

1: The top third/bottom third system is unreliable as you're only being judged against your own platoon. It's also a clumsy way of ranking people because someone with the makings of a great Int Corps, RMP or REME officer (for example) might not be cut out for an infantry command.

2: Every cap badge goes about selecting officers in a slightly different way. There are some which will pretty much ignore your Sandhurst progress reports and go by your personal statement, interview and how you performed on fam visits.

3: With this in mind, bottom third to infantry can and does happen.

4: That said, being listed as top third is never going to harm your chances of getting into a regiment.
 
#15
Xoums said:
cpunk said:
broken_man said:
Depending on the regiment (I'm not naming any and starting a fight) you can get into an infantry batallion from the middle third. Bottom third however is right out. So with the right selection of regiment you can have up to a 66% chance.
I suspect that every regiment and corps in the army says this and yet, strangely, you don't find a third of the Commissioning Course heading for the Camberley Job Centre the day after Sovereign's Parade.
Which corps and regiments would say " don't worry chap do your worst at RMSA, we only accept bottom third cadets...." ?
My platoon commander told everyone involved in the Regi selection process that everyone was top third. In his words "if you're above the quality line, what does it matter?"

At RSB all that gets brought to the party is your goodself. If you interview like a turnip, then you pile in. No one knows who is top, middle, or bottom.
 
#16
I remember there being some guys who interview 5/6 six times to get into an infantry regiment. They got in, just not where they wanted to go. The whole top third thing is a myth; people have to go somewhere and the infantry sometimes have to take the lower third. Not to say the lower third are always crap, it could have been a competitive year intake.
 
#17
Would I be correct to assume the bottom line is: work as hard as you can to get the best out of yourself at Sandhurst aiming to be in the top third at all times. At the Regimental interviews be yourself and see if you fit in, if you do then great, if you don't then it was obviously not meant to be for you and move onto something else....?

And probably throw in an element of luck into the equation too.

Also, If you have been awarded at sponsorship from a chosen Regiment prior to attending Sandhurst, will that help you or make it easier to then get a commission in the said Regiment come term 2 ?
 
#18
Xoums said:
If you have been awarded at sponsorship from a chosen Regiment prior to attending Sandhurst, will that help you or make it easier to then get a commission in the said Regiment come term 2 ?
Essentially NO. Sponsorship gets you through selection and in the door of RMAS but once you start CC all bets are off. Your sponsor is not beholden to accept you and you are not required to choose your sponsor as one of your 2 cpabadge options.

That said you will most likely attend fam visits with your sponsor prior to starting RMAS and that does allow their recruitment team to form a broader picture of you, rather than just what they see during CC. So having your sponsor as a choice doesn't hurt but at the end of the day if they think your bonk then they won't take you. Unless of course you are trying to become an MSO and then its a requirement.
 
#19
MSO might seem like a dull job, but everyone I know who has gone RAMC as MSO have all gone on attachments relativley quickly and really like what they do. I recently asked one who never managed to get his 1st or 2nd choices and got 'stuck' in the RAMC but now does not want to leave.

Swings and roundabouts. Whatever happens it's still army, and probably still better than what you would be doing in civy street.
 
#20
Nickhere said:
Xoums said:
cpunk said:
broken_man said:
Depending on the regiment (I'm not naming any and starting a fight) you can get into an infantry batallion from the middle third. Bottom third however is right out. So with the right selection of regiment you can have up to a 66% chance.
I suspect that every regiment and corps in the army says this and yet, strangely, you don't find a third of the Commissioning Course heading for the Camberley Job Centre the day after Sovereign's Parade.
Which corps and regiments would say " don't worry chap do your worst at RMSA, we only accept bottom third cadets...." ?
My platoon commander told everyone involved in the Regi selection process that everyone was top third. In his words "if you're above the quality line, what does it matter?"

At RSB all that gets brought to the party is your goodself. If you interview like a turnip, then you pile in. No one knows who is top, middle, or bottom.
My bold... No, not quite true. The RSB will have access to your PB 3 and PB 4 reports (which both detail where you lie in your platoon, and if necessary where you lie across your company), your personal statement and your regimental visit reports (assuming that the regiment you are hoping to join is diligent enough to write on your performance at a regimental visit). There will also be input from a variety of people you may not assume have influence (Regimental Secretary etc).

As for your pl comd writing everyone up as top third, I find that hard to believe, because the reports he is writing for RSBs will be reviewed by his coy comd, college commander and the regimental representative at RMAS, who will all have a different view on those reports.

The comment "if you're above the quality line, what does it matter?"
is not quite fair, either. It has been proven time and time again that those OCdts who found themselves in the bottom third at RMAS were likely to struggle with and possibly fail serious Phase 2 courses, like PCBC.
 

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