"Light" Infantry -- Not a wahhh onest

#1
OK, like the new ad campaign about time the grunts get some airtime but I have a rather simple question

What is LIGHT ???

Armour yes, big smelly things on tracks

Mech yes, big smelly things with wheels

Air Assault yes, big smelly things that fly

But where does this Light business fall into the picture ? I did hear something about a new light brigade but what in reality will that mean ? Land Rovers ? Foot ? all of the above ?


Looked on the MOD site and all I found was blokes going on about how great it is to get promoted


I'm just trying to figure out where it falls inthe big scheme of things


Please note ex-squaddie non grunt hence not a waaaaah
 

ugly

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#2
Light role tends to be everflexible as in airportable to airmobile depending upon the need at the time. Used to just mean no tracks but go father back and it really gets into LI Light as in rapid marching, armed with rifles (that'll be the SLR) and acting as a foot mounted screen or covering withdrawals.
 
#3
ugly said:
Light role tends to be everflexible as in airportable to airmobile depending upon the need at the time. Used to just mean no tracks but go father back and it really gets into LI Light as in rapid marching, armed with rifles (that'll be the SLR) and acting as a foot mounted screen or covering withdrawals.
yep happy with the history, I just would like to know what this new Light definition is ?

According the the website they are on boats ????

Light Infantry
 

ugly

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#6
Copped that one too, makes you wonder if they are dim as a TOC H lamp or sneaking in an alteration to the rifle to make it repetition only possibly to save on ammo!
 
#8
wellyhead said:
ugly said:
Light role tends to be everflexible as in airportable to airmobile depending upon the need at the time. Used to just mean no tracks but go father back and it really gets into LI Light as in rapid marching, armed with rifles (that'll be the SLR) and acting as a foot mounted screen or covering withdrawals.
yep happy with the history, I just would like to know what this new Light definition is ?

According the the website they are on boats ????

Light Infantry

Coincidentally I was speaking to a booty mate of mine at the weekend, he has done 22 and has been asked to stay on as they are so short of bods. He has been told he can stay until he is 50 at least (he is 40 now), the interesting thing though reference the LI and boats is he reckons there will be no RM in 5 years time because they cannot recruit enough decent people or retain the ones they have. They already have the Army at Lympstone helping out, so will the LI or Rifle Brigade or whatever they will be called eventually take on the RM role.
 

ugly

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#9
Funny thing about raising the bar or at least maintaining standards. Society changes but the standards required dont adapt and as stated before the training staff see themselves as gatekeepers to the Corps. The advert says it all 99.something% need not apply. If that in the end spells the end of the corps then thats what will happen. Army commandos again? A real possibility if this slides on. At what point does a 40 year old booty become too old? 50 or 65? Must be a great pension to last that long but how many storemen and admin staff can they replace with mature marines? There will be a point where there are more old marines than young commandos. Will they still have to be super fit? A good friend of mine was MD from the RM as he developed an eye defect and refused to be a cook or clerk which was all they could offer him.
 
#10
There is talk about one of the Rifle Battalions being Commando-badged and based in Chepstow. Unsure who this means they'll be attached to...
 
#11
Light 'Role' Infantry used to be all the cheap battalions that get driven into battle on 4 tonne Bedfords, before getting out and walking the rest of the way. They also used to specialise in things like moutainous terrain/ desert/ jungle.

What with the arms plot crashing down, they now want each Regiment to have as many different 'roled' battalions as possible.
Hence the new Yorkshire Regiment will have an Armoured Battalion, a mech Battalion and a Light Role Battalion. Other regiments have air assault battalions as well.
Basically the Light Role Battalion will be the lucky one that gets to do all the peace-keeping jobs, perhaps a bit of jungle specialisation and, as the website suggests, the odd beach landing.
Hopefully.
Otherwise they'll just be used to stag on.

The Light Infantry, on the other hand, is a regiment, and along with the Royal Green Jackets are part of the Light Division. Ironically one of the LI battalions is actually in the Armoured Role. These will all become 'The Rifles' soon, but remain in the Light Div. The name stems from Napoleonic stuff when they had Light Regiments (being a kind of Battle Honour), Light Companies (skirmishers) and Riflemen (see Sharpe) and has nothing to do with the modern role.
 
#13
Macks said:
There is talk about one of the Rifle Battalions being Commando-badged and based in Chepstow. Unsure who this means they'll be attached to...

I am one of those going to chepstow and even i don't know, throw me a bone and tell me some one.
 

ugly

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#14
That will be the former D&D and RGBW LI which is 1 Rifles I believe. Could be a chance to get a posting as most lads under reorg get an option of sorts!
 

ugly

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#16
Pretty similar to the offers when we went from 3 to 2 Bns. Pity about not getting the Paderborn option with what was 1LI as that would probably be nice after a spell in Blighty. I wonder if eventually ORs will be able to cross post between Bns in a way that senior ncos and above do. A regt wide manning list would be good and eventually you could have all roles under your belt say within 6 years! That would be an interesting option. When the 1st LI suffered the Ballygawley bomb in 88, volunteers from 2 LI came over possibly in 2 pln strength and Iremember there being a RIR company badged LI on loan as well.
 
#17
Does anyone know how the switch to the Cdo light role within the Rifles is going to be managed? By this I mean is the new 1LI (amalgamation of D&D and RGBW) going to be converted en masse to the Cdo role or are volunteers from across the Rifles going to be called for?

I would have thought that the latter option would be more desirable as the lads could then volunteer for Cdo trg (shades of WW2?). This would also prevent lads who did not want to be Cdo trained from getting p*ssed off and leaving, thus aiding retention.

Personally I think that it would be a good thing for the Army and something that may happen more with the current recruitment problems of the RM. Though this opinion is of an outsider looking to join so could be complete arrse!

Anyone got any info on this?

Cheers,

BB
 
#18
Isn't the idea that they'll just support the commando brigade...like the battalions that were assigned to help the paras in the Air Assault Brigade? They won't actually have to get badged...
 
#19
I think you will find that willbe the case, but slots on the AACC will be availible for anyone who wished to take up the challenge, bit like RIR going to 16 Bde
 

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