Libyian secret files, MI5/6,Labour problem

jim24

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#1
Oh dear, Human rights watch have found the secret files of the Libyan security service, I bet some certain people in MI5/6, and the Labour Government are having a very bad day, could make Wiki Leaks look pretty damn boring
 
#2
spook shit in the 90s allegedly mi6 was aiding the bearded loons to slot the COL
 
#4
I pray for the day that the grinning loon is brought before a court. Hopefully just after his B&A wife has a freak fatal accident with her barristers wig.
 
#8
#10
I think it's worth remembering that Human Rights Watch (HRW) are able to get access to these documents as a result of "NATO support" for the popular uprisings. That would obviously be include intelligence support. HRW may bite the hand that feeds them, but that's democracy for you, or perhaps it isn't.

"Human Rights Watch is a nonprofit, nongovernmental human rights organization made up of more than 280 staff members around the globe. Its staff consists of human rights professionals including country experts, lawyers, journalists, and academics of diverse backgrounds and nationalities.

Established in 1978, Human Rights Watch is known for its accurate fact-finding, impartial reporting, effective use of media, and targeted advocacy, often in partnership with local human rights groups. Each year, Human Rights Watch publishes more than 100 reports and briefings on human rights conditions in some 90 countries, generating extensive coverage in local and international media.

With the leverage this brings, Human Rights Watch meets with governments, the United Nations, regional groups like the African Union and the European Union, financial institutions, and corporations to press for changes in policy and practice that promote human rights and justice around the world."

Who We Are | Human Rights Watch

Have a wander through their web site.


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#11
The contrasting responses from the UK and the US was telling. The Yanks basically said that they use any source/resource to get where and what they need, Hague said it was all Labours fault.
 
#12
The contrasting responses from the UK and the US was telling. The Yanks basically said that they use any source/resource to get where and what they need, Hague said it was all Labours fault.
Hague does not have a leg to stand on, his government contains former BP folk who were instrumental in the dodgy deal with Qaddafi, the oily relationship would still be humming along if Benghazi had not kicked off and Sarko decided we could slip in and shiv the old bugger. The Septics at least had the dignity to hold their nose while dealing with Qaddafi, the Brits threw their scruples to the wind for access to a few oil basins.

Our duplicity is truly commendable, first Six cuddle up to LIFG beards in the hope they'll whack the monstrous Qaddafi who was known to have conspired in the murder of many British citizens. Then, having noticed Libya's sweet crude, Six are in league with Qaddafi, a stout ally in the GWOT. His "dissidents" include villainous Darna folk going off in Iraq's Shi'a marketplaces i.e. probably LIFG. Then we are arranging his ouster, with brave LIFG figures prominent in a revolt preserved only by NATO air.

My only worry is the Libyan's may have noticed a bit of pattern here.
 
#13
If we are to believe what is being disseminated by the media from HRW sources it makes for a damning indictment of the US & UK governments of the day. The truth could be, and it has yet to be proven, that the El-Qadaffi regime was hanging over these governments much akin to the “Sword of Damocles” – nobody really knowing what the agenda really was – except of course the man himself!!

I must concur with my leaned friend “BrandySoured” when he says the US Government will use any source/resource to get where and what they need as it appears that they were complicit in arranging “black flights” and rendition of various individuals to Libya in an attempt to extract information that could not be obtained within the rule of international law.

The view could be that POTUS at the time was using the then UK premier, Tony Bliar, as a puppet, to bring about his own agenda. I know this is a very simplistic view, but it seems many outsiders have the view that Bush and Bliar were saying to El-Qadaffi “You torture suspected terrorists on our behalf and we will forget about your involvement in terrorist acts.” Also we will teach your people how to torture our suspects and can we have some cheap oil?

The discovery of these documents opens up an entirely new can of worms, questioning whether governments of the day were appeasing and acquiescing to the wishes of El-Qadaffi. If this is the case, the present UK Foreign Secretary (William Hague) is correct in his statement that he could not comment on the subject of these disclosures as he would not have been privy to those actions. Quite a reasonable comment in light of other instances where Bliar and his cohorts were “economical” with the truth, Iraq for example!!

My esteemed friend “Alib” quite rightly points out that William Hague may have “blood on his hands” as there are former BP employees in your present government. Whilst BP is ostensibly a UK company, 38% of the shareholding is held by US institutions, thus one must ask the question:” Was pressure brought to bear by the US Government on those institutions?” It that is the case then “BrandySoured’s” comment holds true!!
 
#14
If we are to believe what is being disseminated by the media from HRW sources it makes for a damning indictment of the US & UK governments of the day...
The DGSE are in the mucky files too apparently.
 
#15
The DGSE are in the mucky files too apparently.
I thank you for your comment, the DGSE are not going to come out of this debacle "whiter than white." Many right-minded people are questioning the role of this organization in the present upheaval knowing its previous failings: A botched operation to burgle the room of China Eastern Airlines' boss Shaoyong Liu at the Crowne Plaza Hotel in Toulouse, their involvement in the sinking of the "Rainbow Warrior" and trying to depose El-Qadaffi in 1977 & 1980 by using Libyan troops.

My feeling is that many underhand and devious dealings are going to come to light in the coming weeks and months that will tarnish the credibility of many governments. Operations and collusions that cannot be swept under the carpet - dirty washing will be laundered in public.
 

Wordsmith

LE
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#16
Here's a link to the Independent, which appears to have access to some of the papers.

Gaddafi, Britain and US: A secret, special and very cosy relationship - World Politics, World - The Independent

I think there will be a stream of revelations coming out of Libya in the next few weeks. Regimes - particularly bureaucratic dictatorships - tend to amass files left, right and centre. As the collapse of Tripoli happened far faster than expected, I expect there are treasure troves of archives to be found. There will be diplomatic cables, records of high level discussions between Libya and varying foreign companies and of course exchanges of messages between Libya and varying intelligence agencies.

I think a lot of it will be pretty unedifying - Gadaffi - until 6 months ago - looked pretty secure in power and many of the diplomatic missions/foreign companies/intelligence agencies would never have envisiaged their correspondence seein the light of day. However, we'll see how savvy the new government is. They might be tempted to put a lot of this under guard as soon as possible and then use it to get better terms from varying foreign countries - "Don't agree with the terms of your contract; amend them or we'll release these documents."

Realpolitik at work...

Wordsmith
 
#17
I'm just surprised,that anyone is surprised at these 'revelations'.

Most of the security services,in the world have been 'dirty' for decades,their mantra has always been "The End justifies the Means",followed closely by those other well chosen words "A Threat to National Security","Need to Know",and when asked to come clean,they fall back on "It's Not in the Publics Interest"! :meditate:

A Cynic,Moi? ;-)
 

BuggerAll

LE
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#18
I have to admit these 'revelations' have made me very angry (oh dear, how sad - no doubt the world will happily move on). I was happy to accept what Blair said about trying to bring Qaddafi in from the cold. In the world of real politics you sometimes have to dine with the devil but when you do so you're advised to sup with a long spoon. It would appear that the previous governments spoon was not only too short but that they were sharing it with devil.

I think that parliament should be recalled. I'm not sure that Cameron should apologise but he should certainly disassociate himself from the activities of the former shower. I think he should order a criminal investigation into the activities of the intelligence services and the former government. He should also let them know that prosecution in this country or extradition to Libya is distinctly possible and that includes at the highest level.

I have long believed in having an ethical foreign policy. I'm afraid that time and time again perfidious Albion's past dodgy dealings have come back to bite us. It is little wonder that in some parts of the world we are seen as totally untrustworthy.

I am still hopeful that the situation in Libya will resolve itself and a relatively liberal democracy will emerge. I'm hopeful that the help we provided will place us in a good stead as honest brokers but I fear that once again Labour have handed us a shit sandwich.
 

TheIronDuke

ADC
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#19
I think that parliament should be recalled. I'm not sure that Cameron should apologise but he should certainly disassociate himself from the activities of the former shower. I think he should order a criminal investigation into the activities of the intelligence services and the former government. He should also let them know that prosecution in this country or extradition to Libya is distinctly possible and that includes at the highest level.
What a cracking idea. First into the dock should be David Cameron.

"Mr Cameron. Precisely what was your involvement in / knowledge of the 'Tory Nukes' and have you any idea where the missing two are?"

"Do you believe Dr. David Kelly was bumped off because he was about to blow the gig by admitting to his suspicion that at least one made its way to Iraq?"

"As a junior minister were you MI6 liaison officer?"

"Could you knock a horse out with one punch?"

Cant think why Call-Me-Dave hasn't pressed for a public enquiry before now. After all, all the tricky stuff MI6 have ever pulled was at the behest of that nasty Tony Blair. Under the benign rule of Saint Margaret Thatcher they mostly made sure elderly citizens crossed the road safely.
 
#20
I don't understand all this effort to slot one deposed viscious criminal megalomaniac ex tyrant in the heat of the north African desert, when Gordon Brown lives quite openly in the UK, in North Queensferry and has set up SMIRSCH headquarters in an office in Primrose Street London for his professional appologists and various charity scams.......
 

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