Lib Dems - what's their problem with Jewish folk?

#1
So yet another Lib Dem has contributed a rant about "Jews" when he obviously meant to say "Israelis" or "Zionists". BBC News - David Ward MP 'sorry' over Israel criticism refers. The party seems to have lots of form for this sort of anti-Semitism, is hating Jews the new black for liberals or something?

It may be relevant that he sits for a Bradford constituency and therefore calculated that this would go down well with large parts of his electorate, of course.
 
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The Jews are the cause of a great dilemma for liberals and their ilk. They seek to support all things anti- (add appropriate ism) but are forced to reconcile anti-semitic with anti-Islamophobia and Palestine. they would love to be able to back both sides of the coin but unfortunately for them - many causes are diametrically opposed to one another so it all boils down to whichever cause currently trumps the other in the minority stakes.
 
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Note his words "within a few years". Israel was very Jewish back then. Yet more dripping and the usual hysterical Israeli PR overreaction.
 
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I do feel that every time anyone brings up Israels handling of the Palestinians, the Israelis cry foul and use the comparison between their previous treatment and their current behaviour as an example of how bad the world is too them. Whilst the Jews suffered terribly during the war, they most certainly are not making the live of the average Palestinian a bed of roses. I also feel that by treating the Palestinians in such a way, the only way the Palestinians feel they can respond is with terrorism. This in turn allows Israel to portray themselves as the hurt part to the world and to ensure American support.

A simplistic view maybe, but It certainly looks that way from the outside!
 
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They haven't liked Jews since Disraeli.
 
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I do feel that every time anyone brings up Israels handling of the Palestinians, the Israelis cry foul and use the comparison between their previous treatment and their current behaviour as an example of how bad the world is too them. Whilst the Jews suffered terribly during the war, they most certainly are not making the live of the average Palestinian a bed of roses. I also feel that by treating the Palestinians in such a way, the only way the Palestinians feel they can respond is with terrorism. This in turn allows Israel to portray themselves as the hurt part to the world and to ensure American support.

A simplistic view maybe, but It certainly looks that way from the outside!

I'm reading Chaim Herzogs "Living History" at the mo. Ex Israeli President and ex WW2 British Army Int Corps Major.

It would appear that the Israelis have bent over backwards to appease the Pals / Arabs over the years, but most ideas to solve the problems have fallen on deaf ears due to the usual hysterical Islamania.

Surrounded as they are by such an unpleasant bunch of goat sucking scumbags - who in the main hate Palestinians - I don't blame them taking a hard line.

He makes some very interesting points about British post war "Arabist" foreign policy. Essentially post Lawrence of Arabia fantasy perpetuated by naive FO public schoolboys. Got us precisely nowhere really...


Oh, forgot to add. Que the usual suspects to appear and pour down 5000 word posts on why its OK to hate the Joos.
 
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Israeli's are an unpleasant bunch of racist pricks who strongly deserve the ****ing that they will eventually get - and no one will lift a finger or shed a tear when it happens.
 
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"Israeli's are an unpleasant bunch of racist pricks who strongly deserve the ****ing that they will eventually get - and no one will lift a finger or shed a tear when it happens."

My times in Israel would not back you up, plenty of different creeds, colours and makes of human all going about their business in a way not seen in many Middle Eastern countries.
 
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I'm reading Chaim Herzogs "Living History" at the mo. Ex Israeli President and ex WW2 British Army Int Corps Major.

It would appear that the Israelis have bent over backwards to appease the Pals / Arabs over the years, but most ideas to solve the problems have fallen on deaf ears due to the usual hysterical Islamania.

Surrounded as they are by such an unpleasant bunch of goat sucking scumbags - who in the main hate Palestinians - I don't blame them taking a hard line.

He makes some very interesting points about British post war "Arabist" foreign policy. Essentially post Lawrence of Arabia fantasy perpetuated by naive FO public schoolboys. Got us precisely nowhere really...


Oh, forgot to add. Que the usual suspects to appear and pour down 5000 word posts on why its OK to hate the Joos.
A book I shall have to read. Without knowing all the facts, as I’m sure we never will, its very difficult to make a balanced judgement. Ignoring the usual ranting from extremists on both sides, its interesting to hear form those within Israel who feel that the policy which their country has followed has not worked. What does little in the Palestinian’s favour is the apparent inability of anyone from the Islamic/Arabic side to follow a structured and non hysterical approach. Islam does itself no favours when every perceived slight is followed by baying crowds who almost invariably kill some of their own people.
 
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Israeli's are an unpleasant bunch of racist pricks who strongly deserve the ****ing that they will eventually get - and no one will lift a finger or shed a tear when it happens.

Right. Firstly, I doubt they are any more racist than anyone else, and secondly the goatfcukers have tried to wipe them out half a dozen times and failed. I doubt they'll try again.
 
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A book I shall have to read. Without knowing all the facts, as I’m sure we never will, its very difficult to make a balanced judgement. Ignoring the usual ranting from extremists on both sides, its interesting to hear form those within Israel who feel that the policy which their country has followed has not worked. What does little in the Palestinian’s favour is the apparent inability of anyone from the Islamic/Arabic side to follow a structured and non hysterical approach. Islam does itself no favours when every perceived slight is followed by baying crowds who almost invariably kill some of their own people.

It's well worth a read. He is as balanced as anyone in his position can be I think. It's interesting in that even moderate Arab leaders have been hampered by the Islamaniacs in reaching agreements with the Israelis. The car bomb / your whole family being murdered sees to that. Saying that, the Jordanians have done it quite successfully, even securing the Israelis flank when they were attacked by the Syrians in the 6 day war (if memory serves etc).

Despite them being the poster boys for bleeding heart Liberals the world over, I find it odd that most of Israels neighbours detest the Palestinians. They use them to garner anti-Israel support but would happily wipe them out it seems.

A fascinating part of the world, but they are all very much welcome to it, thanks.
 
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Right. Firstly, I doubt they are any more racist than anyone else, and secondly the goatfcukers have tried to wipe them out half a dozen times and failed. I doubt they'll try again.
In properly liberal circles it is considered bad form to mention the number of unprovoked attacks Israel has suffered as an explanation for its current behaviour; however, every hurt upon a Palestinian head is apparently a crime which justifies any retaliation, however extreme.
 
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Right. Firstly, I doubt they are any more racist than anyone else, and secondly the goatfcukers have tried to wipe them out half a dozen times and failed. I doubt they'll try again.
They don't have to wipe them out - they'll out breed them and eventually America will get tired of holding their hands and they'll get fed to the wolves.
 
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I understand and accept that Israel has the right to defend itself and its people against aggression, however, I just wish they would not tie every criticism of their actions to the holocaust. I would argue that almost everyone has heard of the holocaust and even those who would deny it happening in public must know it did happen. The problem is that if it is used to justify every action or to defend against every criticism of Israel, it will eventually lose some if its impact and that is a truly dangerous situation.
 
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They don't have to wipe them out - they'll out breed them and eventually America will get tired of holding their hands and they'll get fed to the wolves.
The biggest problem is liberal emigration as they get fed up with Israels relentless shift to the right as the Haredi gain more political influence.
And the Americans? Their eye has moved from 50 years of playing in the Middle East to playing with the Far East ball. That penny doesn't seem to have dropped in Tel Aviv.
 

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