Lib.Dems: "America had deceived its closest ally"

#1
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...al-reveals-terror-prison-on-Diego-Garcia.html

A senior American official has admitted for the first time that a US base on the Indian Ocean island of Diego Garcia hosted a secret prison.

The admission follows repeated White House assurances that the British dependent territory was not used to hold terror suspects.
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Michael Hayden, the head of the CIA, admitted the US had lied about rendition flights in February but he said "nothing more" had happened on the island.
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Ed Davey, the Liberal Democrat foreign policy spokesman, said the confirmation that America had deceived its closest ally would damage trans-Atlantic relations.

He said: "If the US has been systematically abusing its base at Diego Garcia for rendition and torture flights while knowingly keeping Britain in the dark, this would be a huge breach of trust with legal and political implications for the long-term lease of the island."
 

Mr_Fingerz

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#2
Four questions:

Yes?
And?
So?
What?
 
#3
I'll make that into one for you.

Who cares?
 
#4
And our glorious Government deceived them by making pacts with the Mahdi Army whilst British and American troops died for the lying motherfuckers. Honestly, let's stop trying to play Greece to America's Rome, admit that the barbarians are already through the gates, whore ourselves to Brussels and grow fat and bored with the rest of the euro-weenies. It can't be any worse...
 
#5
So what? Some terrorists got their comeuppance on a small island most Brits couldn't point to on a map.

We swore blind that no prisoner was ever beaten up at Castlereagh: people in glass houses and all that...
 
#6
Bravo_Zulu said:
So what? Some terrorists got their comeuppance on a small island most Brits couldn't point to on a map.
Yes, British Law was violated from formal point of view but I guess it is not a big problem itself. So why our American friends fooled their closest allies about such insignificant matters? It is an interesting question. Why not to say openly - yes we did it but will never do it again... maybe.

Ed Davey, the Liberal Democrat foreign policy spokesman, said the confirmation that America had deceived its closest ally would damage trans-Atlantic relations.

He said: "If the US has been systematically abusing its base at Diego Garcia for rendition and torture flights while knowingly keeping Britain in the dark, this would be a huge breach of trust with legal and political implications for the long-term lease of the island."
It's interesting what mr.Davey meant.
 
#8
squiffy_parsons said:
Sergey, nothing any Lib Dem says is of any importance.
Who knows, what if no one party would have clear majoroty in the Commons after the next elections... Though in this case ToryLab coalition would be formed. So indeed you are right.
 

TheIronDuke

ADC
Book Reviewer
#10
Bravo_Zulu said:
We swore blind that no prisoner was ever beaten up at Castlereagh
But that was true.

Besides, its not like we've never kept the Septics in the dark. Kim Philby anyone?
 
#11
KGB_resident said:
Bravo_Zulu said:
So what? Some terrorists got their comeuppance on a small island most Brits couldn't point to on a map.
Yes, British Law was violated from formal point of view but I guess it is not a big problem itself. So why our American friends fooled their closest allies about such insignificant matters? It is an interesting question. Why not to say openly - yes we did it but will never do it again... maybe.

Ed Davey, the Liberal Democrat foreign policy spokesman, said the confirmation that America had deceived its closest ally would damage trans-Atlantic relations.

He said: "If the US has been systematically abusing its base at Diego Garcia for rendition and torture flights while knowingly keeping Britain in the dark, this would be a huge breach of trust with legal and political implications for the long-term lease of the island."
It's interesting what mr.Davey meant.
my bold, who says they deceived us?

(I do not have any inside knowledge of the situation, I am a thick, ignorant civvie)
 
#12
Castlereagh is was and is British territory. If Catlereagh had been located in, say, The American Virgin Islands (US territory) then the comparison would be valid. This happened on a British Overseas Territory. It is one thing to lie to your allies about what your up to behind your own borders, quite another to tell porkies about what your doing behind theirs!

As I said though, can't say I blame them much.
 
#13
KGB_resident said:
Bravo_Zulu said:
So what? Some terrorists got their comeuppance on a small island most Brits couldn't point to on a map.
Yes, British Law was violated from formal point of view but I guess it is not a big problem itself. So why our American friends fooled their closest allies about such insignificant matters? It is an interesting question. Why not to say openly - yes we did it but will never do it again... maybe.

Ed Davey, the Liberal Democrat foreign policy spokesman, said the confirmation that America had deceived its closest ally would damage trans-Atlantic relations.

He said: "If the US has been systematically abusing its base at Diego Garcia for rendition and torture flights while knowingly keeping Britain in the dark, this would be a huge breach of trust with legal and political implications for the long-term lease of the island."
It's interesting what mr.Davey meant.

Sergey,

You are making an assumption to this point. How do you say "Plausible Deniability" in Russian?


You are *assuming* that the Brits had no knowledge.


As far as huge breaches in trust... Americans don't hold the patent on that one.
 
#14
Is Ed Davey privy to what goes on behind political closed doors? Does he REALLY know any more that the rest of us?
Is he in fact a Privy Councillor?
 
#15
The KGB man does a good line in selective quoting from the Torygraph (new world, old skills ??). The last paragraph of story reads

A spokesman for the CIA said: “The CIA has not used Diego Garcia to detain or interrogate terrorists. As the agency noted back in February, two rendition flights made brief refueling stops there more than five years ago. That was information we ourselves found and that we ourselves brought to the attention of the British Government. Those are the facts.

So big deal ........

Far more interesting was the 'fact' in the DT story that

Diego Garcia airbase plays a vital offensive role in the War on Terror. Protected by a continental shelf, it is remote and inaccessible.

These continental shelf things sound very useful in these difficult times - presumably obtainable from IKEA ????
 
#17
WO95 said:
The KGB man does a good line in selective quoting from the Torygraph (new world, old skills ??). The last paragraph of story reads
Indeed let's read this anecdote

A spokesman for the CIA said: “The CIA has not used Diego Garcia to detain or interrogate terrorists. As the agency noted back in February, two rendition flights made brief refueling stops[/b[ there more than five years ago. That was information we ourselves found and that we ourselves brought to the attention of the British Government. Those are the facts.


Do anybody here believe it? Let's read Time magazine

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1828469,00.html

Source: US Used UK Isle for Interrogations
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The official, a frequent participant in White House Situation Room meetings after Sept. 11 who has since left government, says a CIA counterterrorism official twice said that a high-value prisoner or prisoners were being held and interrogated on the island.
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U.K. foreign secretary David Miliband and his predecessor, Jack Straw, who served under Prime Minister Tony Blair, have both repeatedly denied that the U.S. detained terrorism suspects on British territory.

Hayden's attempt to set the record straight has failed to quiet British protests about American activities on the island. Instead, the All Party Parliamentary Group on Extraordinary Rendition has begun an investigation, raising a variety of pointed questions about the island with Gordon Brown's Labour government. Speaking to the BBC, Labor MP and Foreign Affairs Committee member Fabian Hamilton said this week, "I think it's important the British government makes plain its ... deep concern that it's not being told the truth and that our territories are being used for these purposes."

In late June, Foreign Secretary Miliband said the U.S. had studied a list of 391 flights compiled by British human rights groups and assured British authorities it had found that no further extraordinary-rendition flights had passed through British territory. But Hamilton's committee insists that Britain can no longer take at face value America's assurances that it is not torturing prisoners and, in a clear reference to Diego Garcia, says the U.K. now bears a "legal and moral obligation" to make certain that no British territory abets American rendition flights or interrogations.
So it was officially stated that American word const no more than a half penny. So the quote you mentioned contains new assurances that cost...
 

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