LGBT Poppies?

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Although the immediate matter under discussion was re Merchant Navy, @adouglasmhor's reply was more general in its reach and your statement was in response to that, without qualifying the scope.

I'm sure others know more about the background to the longevity of the ban, but I would suspect that there was more to it than simple Victorian morality. For example, having one's non-crew wife on board could be seen in a completely different light to bunking up with a fellow, likely male, crew member. I'm guessing this consideration is at least partially behind the original intent of making it illegal in the first place, ie, to mitigate the deleterious effects of personal relationships on crew effectiveness and morale, not to mention potential abuses of power. Considering points in isolation is possibly not the most effective way to understand matters.

The reason that it took until 2017 wasn't anything to do with crew effectiveness but the fact that it had been overlooked in the 1994 Criminal Justice Act.

The 2017 Act repealed 2 sections of the 1994 Act.

As for bunking up with male members (snigger) that was happening in the merch back in the 70s and nobody batted an eyelid.
 

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Disrespectful? Weirdo?

I think you ought to read this thread through again from the beginning. If, after that, you think all the other messages on this forum have been particularly respectful, I suggest you give yourself a good talking to ... and then ignore everything you've said and think the opposite.

This thread is living proof that controversy still attaches itself to what is now largely a legal and social norm. Despite the nice little dits about knowing some bona gay individual person from the 'good old days' of the 70s and 80s, that was not, IME, the generally-held view by the public or members of the armed services; far from it, in fact. It held social stigma, often led to being bullied, and was a surefire ticket to civvie street if a member of the military was found out to be of that persuasion.

What do you think the chances of this happening in 1979 were?



Rainbow wreath and pink poppies. How disrespectful. Red's good enough for everybody. There should be a thread about that kind of thing! ... Oh, wait.

My children are growing up in a world where they are expected to be aware of people's preferences in relation to their gender and other identities, including the much-derided use of pronouns and the 'micro-aggressions' that can occur by their incorrect usage, and yet this very concept was a point of mockery in the 1979 film Life of Brian.

Consider the following article, not so much for its specific content, but for what it says about today's acceptance of the status of gay people and their aspirations:




Forty years ago, this would have been virtually impossible to consider as a reasonable expectation by society at large. Gay male couples wanting to have their own children? Now that's what was meant by proper "weird" [1], and in certain parts of the world still is. The barrier in much of Western society is now technological rather than social or philosophical.

Talking of other parts of the world:




And that, right there, is a foot in the door for a more global adoption of animal personhood.

You might very well find my satirical viewpoint on the kind of debate that's occurred in this thread to be disrespectful, but I'll suggest otherwise and that it's a reflection of the current dichotomies in how to be truly inclusive and yet maintain a meaningful connection to the past. Furthermore, as your response indicates, the old ways of thinking never really disappear, they merely find a new target for their reactionary conservatism. Far from being weird, these ideas are already in the air and will become more concrete as our scientific and technological knowledge base expands - and that knowledge base is growing rapidly, with the internet allowing rapid exchange of information and the wider spread of ideas. Other concepts may also arise, with some falling in or out of favour as time progresses.

I didn't even mention the other strand of what it means to be human, Transhumanism. The full implications of technology such as direct mental control of artificial limbs are barely being addressed in the fields of law and philosophy.


Soldiers back on active duty defusing bombs with their artificial arms, with said arms being mounted on Spot the Dog [2], and them being a couple of hundred metres away.

Now give Spot an enhanced AI that can intimately interact with a soldier, let the soldier's normal anthropomorphization lead them to develop feelings towards Spot akin to those they'd have for a real dog, toss in some robot rights sentiments, and Marvin's silicon & copper poppy might not sound so far-fetched to them.



If you're still around in 40 years, you might find it interesting to see what hand-cranks the outrage bus - and what doesn't.

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On left of picture is Peter Tatchell well known gay man & oh-look-at-me gay campaigner & activist.
Every column inch in printed newspaper said to be worth £ thousands in free advertisement for a cause!
 

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Rainbow wreath and pink poppies. How disrespectful. Red's good enough for everybody. There should be a thread about that kind of thing! ... Oh, wait.
At least no-one's called the discharged clanger a walt with his unauthorised gongs.
 
On left of picture is Peter Tatchell well known gay man & oh-look-at-me gay campaigner & activist.
Every column inch in printed newspaper said to be worth £ thousands in free advertisement for a cause!
And every column inch in Arrse the kind of free advertisement you could do without ... :cool:
 

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On left of picture is Peter Tatchell well known gay man & oh-look-at-me gay campaigner & activist.
Every column inch in printed newspaper said to be worth £ thousands in free advertisement for a cause!
And every column inch in Arrse the kind of free advertisement you could do without ... :cool:
He's mentioned on many occasions how much he loves column inches precisely there.
 
The reason that it took until 2017 wasn't anything to do with crew effectiveness but the fact that it had been overlooked in the 1994 Criminal Justice Act.

The 2017 Act repealed 2 sections of the 1994 Act.
OK. Usual administrative snafu.

As for bunking up with male members (snigger) that was happening in the merch back in the 70s and nobody batted an eyelid.
I don't believe you.


I bet there were quite a few batted eyelids before the bunking up.

(and way back before the 70s, as well ... unless you're talking 4070s BC, but only on account of the fact that there were no merchant vessels)
 

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Again, a case of "look at me!"

But he does have the balls to try to back up his words. That earns a degree of respect.
Yes, because if another group made such an exclusive statement he'd scream the place down.
 
Yes, it was a publicity stunt. But how many others have worked so hard, for so long, for equality?

Its a shame his hard work is being undermined by the new generation of rainbow mincers.
Tatchall and his cenotaph feckwittery has oft given I the desire to slap him upside the head - but when he argued that the civil partnership was discriminatory as it discriminated against straight (edit for mong bit here) folk - that earned some respect - The fact he is now being no platformed and branded a fascist bigot by the loony fringe has put him right on my good guy shake his hand if you meet him list.
 
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The fact he is now being no platformed and branded a fascist bigot by the loony fringe has put him right on my good guy shake his hand if you meet him list.
I shall ensure it's wrapped around my shaft first.
 

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Again, a case of "look at me!"

But he does have the balls to try to back up his words. That earns a degree of respect.
How would this sound:

"We laid a rainbow wreath at #Cenotaph in remembrance of heterosexual military personnel who sacrificed their lives fighting Nazism & other tyrannies."

You can add male, Christian, English, white and/or other groups, depending on how many squeals of outrage you require.
 
How would this sound:

"We laid a rainbow wreath at #Cenotaph in remembrance of heterosexual military personnel who sacrificed their lives fighting Nazism & other tyrannies."

You can add male, Christian, English, white and/or other groups, depending on how many squeals of outrage you require.
I read "tyrannies" as "trannies" there, had ot do a double take.
 
Again, a case of "look at me!"

But he does have the balls to try to back up his words. That earns a degree of respect.
He backs up what he says when he feels safe. He didnt know Mugabe henchmen were going to give him a kicking.
 

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He backs up what he says when he feels safe. He didnt know Mugabe henchmen were going to give him a kicking.
Which indicates he has poor situational awareness, extremely bad judgement and a lack of comprehension.
 
Which indicates he has poor situational awareness, extremely bad judgement and a lack of comprehension.
Hes a "celebrity" protester, like the XR **** who got a shoeing in the tube station, they think they can behave how they like then are shocked when they get chinned.
 

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Hes a "celebrity" protester, like the XR **** who got a shoeing in the tube station, they think they can behave how they like then are shocked when they get chinned.
It occurred to me the other day that the XR clowns act like young bucks after a couple of drinks, think they're bulletproof and can rule the world but teary-eyed when the wheels fall off.
 

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His attempt at arresting Mugabe was what actually impressed me most about him. He's a walking "look at me" case, but he had the balls to try to back it up.
When surrounded by billions of coppers. His search for justice wouldn't follow Mugabe into a darkened alleyway.
 

Awol

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The gay lobby have lost their raison d'etre now that it's all been legalised. After a quarter of a century flouncing around doing publicity stunts, they suddenly need to keep themselves in the public eye, and that means generating artificial shoutrage where none existed before.
 
When surrounded by billions of coppers. His search for justice wouldn't follow Mugabe into a darkened alleyway.
To be fair, I wouldn't do it. But then again, I wouldn't have the confidence that one RM's bodyguards wouldn't determine that I was a threat that needed putting down. Nor would I feel particularly happy about the thought that I might later walk down some quiet little street and have an 'accident' happen to me.
 

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