LGBT Poppies?

Dicky Ticker

War Hero
I think the way some see it is more "what are progressing from?" The destination is unknown but hindsight has 20/20 vision.
So what are we "progressing from" then? Exactly why do we need to "progress" away from what would appear to be a pretty good society. Oh yes there were pockets of nastiness, but all in all compared to fifty years ago the world is a safer and happier place.

Unless of course you can inform us why the world needs to throw away so much just to make a few people feel as if they are special?
 
On subject of school and learning I do recall in English it being mentioned that Brooke, Sassoon and Owen were all bi or gay.
There are one or two poems about dead lovers in their writings.
Sassoon was insanely brave which led him to question his own sanity (qv his memoirs). It's very easy to look at his writings - and of his comrades of the tine - and infer sexual orientations. However, these Edwardian chaps were brought up in an innocent and exclusively Male society where they had almost no contact with women save their mother and sisters. They went to male-only boarding schools and then to Male-only colleges before joining the Male-only army. They were introduced to 'suitable' girls by their mothers. It is inevitable that they formed close and tender - and on occasions loving - relationships with their comrades.

Of those on here who have served in the Regular forces for any length of time, it's a sure bet that your closest and enduring friendships are with those your joined up with and served. Some of us have felt the grievous loss of a close comrade leaving you utterly devastated and if we were of a literary mind, in earlier times we would have composed poetry or written prose about this void and our grief (and I don't mean Facebook doggerel).

This is the first remembrance day since I left the RAF; I haven't decided if to attend a service or where to attend. I will wear a poppy - a red one - but will not think less of those wearing ones of other colour. They, at least, are remembering the loss someone's child, sibling, parent, friend and possibly lover.

ETA: I will think of the young student pilot who took his own life in 1994 after being 'outed' by RAF P&SS as being gay. I barely knew the guy, and only got to know him as I escorted him to clear out his room. He was utterly devastated on being kicked out of the RAF just weeks before his graduation. He deserves remembering.
 
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Dredd

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So what are we "progressing from" then? Exactly why do we need to "progress" away from what would appear to be a pretty good society. Oh yes there were pockets of nastiness, but all in all compared to fifty years ago the world is a safer and happier place.

Unless of course you can inform us why the world needs to throw away so much just to make a few people feel as if they are special?
I was giving you a possible scenario. Don't shoot the messenger.
 

endure

GCM
Ah, so that's what "progress" looks lie. Well there you go. And what exactly are we "progressing" towards?

Wherever progress takes us. That's the thing about progress - it's not pre-planned.
 
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endure

GCM
So what are we "progressing from" then? Exactly why do we need to "progress" away from what would appear to be a pretty good society. Oh yes there were pockets of nastiness, but all in all compared to fifty years ago the world is a safer and happier place.

Unless of course you can inform us why the world needs to throw away so much just to make a few people feel as if they are special?

Exactly what is the world throwing away because a few exhibitionists decide to wear multi coloured poppies?
 

Fang_Farrier

LE
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Sassoon was insanely brave which led him to question his own sanity (qv his memoirs). It's very easy to look at his writings - and of his comrades of the tine - and infer sexual orientations.

Brookes and Sassoon's affairs with men are well known.

Owen was more as you suggest, it's hard to tell, his brother burnt some of his letters leaving only the more innocent of them surviving.


Not that it actually matter a jot with regard to either their bravery, their ability to soldier, their poetry or in fact anything else really.
 
Who decided that the RBL "poppy" should be the design and shape that it is? The colour was never in question for purely botanical reasons. In Flanders fields the poppies grow.
 
You cannot be serious!!! I did the letter removal thing and got the answer to be 6, I did that three times just to check and what I found was 6 then 6 then 6. Does that look like 666 to you? Maybe it does, the devil is in the detail as they say, maybe you are onto something, who knows?
Well, this is awkward...

I need to edit a PowerPoint file as soon as I figure out this computer stuff. I don't know much about hacking or ip address stuff. Hardcore Catholicism is my thing.
 

hotel_california

LE
Book Reviewer
Thinking on Remembrance Eve, tomorrow I will be remembering my Great Uncle Jack. Who, on receiving his call up papers in 1939 bravely hid in my grandmother's coal cellar in Stepney until 1942. He was tragically killed when a Nazi V1, wiped out the pub he was drinking in. whist selling black market sausages.
 

OneTenner

Swinger
Many moons ago Airbus Deutschland wanted to easily identify teams* The Idea was we would all have coloured badges - Triangles , squares, circles. German Management types seriously make no connections**. Ultimately it never materialised - Ive often wondered if somebody was brave enough to point out the obvious....
Back in 2000 - 2001 I was involved in CIMIC tasking to sort out the infrastructure of Pristina Hospital, the biggest problem was the amount of clinical waste building up due to the incinerators not working, this being a MNB, the CIMIC team involved Brits, French, various Nordic types and the Germans. During one of the meetings, an Icelandic Engineer Major offered to have his men rebuild the burners - which was swiftly countered by a German Maj. telling the room that they should be responsible for this as they had much more experience of gas incinerators... several seconds of silence before the stifled laughter, much to the puzzlement of the boxhead Major!
 

Mr Tweedy

Old-Salt
Everyone competed in parrot fashion to be the most socialist.
Now everyone competes, in parrot fashion to be the most socially liberal.

It's just history rhyming.
What happened in the Soviet Union has nothing to do with Hypernormalisation, that was simply brainwashing by terror.
 
They have 2 rugby team ones, Sale Sharks and Bristol Bears. (Although Wasps are advertised all over FB has having a pin, but not available on the Poppy Shoop website)
Bristol Rugby has a long association with WWi and remembrance. Though sadly they recently left the Memorial Ground which is now owned by Bristol Rovers, but I believe there is still a service of remembrance at the gates.

HISTORY: The Memorial Stadium in North Bristol, now home to Bristol Rovers Football Club, was built shortly after WWI for the Bristol Rugby Club, and dedicated to those members of the club that fell in the First World War. The stone gate piers were used to bear a dedication to those lost in firstly WWI, and latterly WWII. The club was opened in 1921 by the Lord Mayor of Bristol; BG Britton.

The great age of memorial building was in the aftermath of the First World War; it was frequently done on a localised level, with community groups raising funds and erecting memorials independently, or with design guidance from the War Office.

A memorial service continues to be held at the gates on Armistice Day.

 

Dicky Ticker

War Hero
Exactly what is the world throwing away because a few exhibitionists decide to wear multi coloured poppies?
Well I would say that multi coloured (in fact an colour other than red} poppies is creating divisions where divisions are not required. As with so many topics over recent years, where the trend had been towards integrating different groups / creeds / religions / etc into a human race we seem to have thrown that away to regress back to tribalism, with each tribe trying hard to prove themselves better than the rest (or more likely more oppressed than the rest in order to attain a moral superiority}.

To me that is not progress.
 

overopensights

ADC
Book Reviewer
Well I would say that multi coloured (in fact an colour other than red} poppies is creating divisions where divisions are not required. As with so many topics over recent years, where the trend had been towards integrating different groups / creeds / religions / etc into a human race we seem to have thrown that away to regress back to tribalism, with each tribe trying hard to prove themselves better than the rest (or more likely more oppressed than the rest in order to attain a moral superiority}.

To me that is not progress.
Very well said Sir! take a full battery fire of likes!
 

endure

GCM
Well I would say that multi coloured (in fact an colour other than red} poppies is creating divisions where divisions are not required. As with so many topics over recent years, where the trend had been towards integrating different groups / creeds / religions / etc into a human race we seem to have thrown that away to regress back to tribalism, with each tribe trying hard to prove themselves better than the rest (or more likely more oppressed than the rest in order to attain a moral superiority}.

To me that is not progress.

You're confusing integration with acceptance. Those groups aren't wanting acceptance they're wanting equality which is a subtle but significant difference.
 

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