Lewis Page: "Cameron cocks up UK's defences - and betrays Afghan troops"

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  1. "...A 4 per cent cut at the NHS would not only have matched the savings from yesterday's 8 per cent MoD cuts, but paid to sort out its budget crisis as well."

    "Last Christmas, regular Reg readers may remember, in a freak outburst of common sense Labour defence ministers announced plans to buy no less than 22 more desperately-needed Chinook helicopters...Good old Mr Cameron, though - the soldier's friend - has cut this order to 12, almost halving it."

    Cameron cocks up UK's defences - and betrays Afghan troops • The Register
     
  2. even a broken clock is right twice a day...
     
  3. Did the MOD during the Labour Government tenure actually place an order for 22 or did this number not get past the planning to order stage ?
     
  4. If I have to read Lewis Page spouting crap about escorts and fleets of through-deck cruisers i'm going to have a coronary.

    "wildly overmanned officer corps"

    Comparing Reaper to a bombed up Tornado

    MBT's as pointless....

    God, the list goes on!
     
  5. Schaden

    Schaden LE Book Reviewer

    Some people need to take note of the "DEFENCE" part of the the Ministry of Defence - it's not the Ministry of Shambolic Pointless Wars for Political ****ing Brownie Points - and take deep drink at the well of reality.
     
  6. The 22 helos was an aspiration, but the realisation that only 12 would be delivered by 2015, and the decline in helo numbers plan post HERRICK (plus the total lack of money to pay for them allegedly) meant that it was never really a starter for a plan.
     
  7. The 'order' for 22 Chinook was nothing more than cheap electioneering by a failed Prime Minister who's mouth was writing cheques he knew he would never have to cash.
     
  8. Further to my earlier rhetorical question …

    The " plan " by Labour had indeed gone no further than a “ plan “ and the " order " was not actually placed under the Labour Government Tenure .... Cameron speaking in House of Commons 19 Oct .... as reported in The Guardian ....

    4.06pm: Cameron is still replying to Miliband.

    ... says there was no order for 24 Chinook helicopters, because there was no money to fund it under Labour.

    24 / 22 Chinooks ?… presumably this is the same subject of the OP .

    So the original announcement by a Labour Government of a “ plan to order “ was this more smoke and mirrors for Political effect …surely not .
     
  9. OldSnowy

    OldSnowy LE Moderator Book Reviewer

    Lewis Page is a known Knobber, whose currency as a pundit is only maintained by his willingness to spout off nonsense at the drop of a hat. He knows as much about procurement as my cat.

    As for the 22 Chinooks - same as for the CVFs, and the FSTA, and several other contracts I could mention but won't. The Labour Govt signed stupid, stupid contracts before the election in order to buy votes by pledging money they (or rather we) did not have. The MOD is now trying to sort this out - and the re-negotiation of these many contracts will be long, expensive, and probably fruitless. Well Done, Mr Brown - another great success!
     
  10. Snowy - can your cat get to ABW for a start date of 1 November? IPT Leader's post if he's interested?
     
  11. I agree with his point about the NHS though - a very moderate efficiency saving in that behemoth would free up billions.
     
  12. Bouillabaisse

    Bouillabaisse LE Book Reviewer

    Sorry, Cuddles, post is closed. My labrador got the job. He's a bit thick, but he means well, so he should fit right in
     
  13. I dunno, I really think MINSHAMPOWFPOFBRP is a better acronym than MOD, even if it does sound a bit like a fart in a bath.

    Remind me -- is drilling wells of reality a Sapper task?

    All the best,

    John.
     
  14. That was the Combat Tracks Group slot; I believe he got on very well with the RAC officers in the IPT...they were impressed by his "drive, focus and attention to detail" nd "undoubted superior intellect". They also marbelled at his ability to lick his own testicles.

    Old Snowy's cat was in the frame for the Defence Ordnance Safety Group slot, where it's nine lives were seen as a possible advantage...
     
  15. A view I agree with. Unsurprisingly, it didn't escape the attention of the Economist leader article this week either.