Letting 16 year olds keep the vote

I see there as been some serious discussion amongst the left leaning parties about how giving the 16-17 year old the vote in the independance referendum the vote has been such a success that it should be made into a permanent fixure in future UK elections.

I've also read that they didn't vote as expected with some (small) independant exit polls showing that they voted largely for the Yes camp rather than looking to the future and voting no. And herein lies the rub.

I don't think it would be a good idea at all. At 16-17 you have no idea about the real world. Student politics is largey based on 'What some bloke at college\uni told me' or 'What a politician told me' with zero research done on a personal level to form your own opinion then acting accordingly.

Also they have ittle or nothing to lose, or to be more precise. Little or nothing to lose immediately.
A bad block voting decision to follow a popularist cause may not lose them their house\job\savings straight away as it would older people but it may reduce their life chances later on (But hey! Who cares about the future, right?).

So, good idea or bad? Personally the thought of a 16 year old who has absoloutley zero to lose by voting to affect my life scares the crap out of me!
 
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Good CO

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Same goes for anyone over 45. They're only interested in the few short years ahead before pension and death, mental health deteriorating rapidly, kids are well in the way to looking after themselves, and it's short sighted and increasingly erratic self interest all the way to the grave. Bastards.
 
I don't think it would be a good idea at all. At 16-17 you have no idea about the real world. Student politics is largey based on 'What some bloke at college\uni told me' or 'What a politician told me' with zero research done on a personal level to form your own opinion then actign accordingly.

Thats exactly why the left would want them to vote, kids tend to believe the rich should pay for the poor, less on defence more on education, green initiatives etc, its only when they are older they realise its not as simple as that.
 

Daxx

MIA
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Happy to give em a vote, but then make it a criminal offence if they, and all the others slackers don't use it.
 

Tool

LE
Nope, Wiser heads than ours deemed that the fruit of our loins are too daft/stupid/immature/mature/can't be arrsed ***delete as required*** to decide what to wear, never mind vote, until they are 18. Leave it there. As the owner of two rugrats, I find that the sprog thinks "voting won't change anything", and the sprogette will only go and vote if I hold her hand (metaphorically).

Their mother couldn't be bothered, as the political parties are "all the same", so Good Co you may have a point - she's over 45.
 

Elindio

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Thats exactly why the left would want them to vote, kids tend to believe the rich should pay for the poor, less on defence more on education, green initiatives etc, its only when they are older they realise its not as simple as that.
Arguably there are a large number of people who are old enough to know better, yet still approach politics like a 17 year old. Maybe we should just repeal the representation of the people act instead, in return for no income tax.
 
Arguably there are a large number of people who are old enough to know better, yet still approach politics like a 17 year old.

True, but not as many as there are when they are younger, Wee Eck didnt want to give the kids the vote because he thought they deserved it, just that they were more likely to believe his bullshit about how nasty Tories are to blame for everything.
 

Legs

ADC
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True, but not as many as there are when they are younger, Wee Eck didnt want to give the kids the vote because he thought they deserved it, just that they were more likely to believe his bullshit about how nasty Tories are to blame for everything.

Oh God, I find myself (again) agreeing with you Stacker. I think that is exactly why he pressed for the kids' votes.





(I now feel a wee bit dirty)
 

DaManBugs

LE
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I don't see why 16-year-olds shouldn't get the vote. It's something that we discuss quite regularly with folks and a lot of their arguments against it are very similar to what I mind hearing from way back when the voting age in the UK was dropped from 21 to 18.

MsG
 
Same goes for anyone over 45. They're only interested in the few short years ahead before pension and death, mental health deteriorating rapidly, kids are well in the way to looking after themselves, and it's short sighted and increasingly erratic self interest all the way to the grave. Bastards.
Hurrah, nearly 65 lots to look forward to and lots to look back on
 
I don't see why 16-year-olds shouldn't get the vote. It's something that we discuss quite regularly with folks and a lot of their arguments against it are very similar to what I mind hearing from way back when the voting age in the UK was dropped from 21 to 18.

MsG

Of course kids are more susceptible to socialist bollocks about how great the world would be if the big bad capitalists have all their money stolen off them.
Luckily 99.5% of the adult population sees it for a crock of shit that it is, hence why so few people vote for them
 
On reflection, I wouldn't be opposed to giving 16 year olds a vote. One of the problems with our democracy is the huge amount of apathy that exists. Many just don't bother to vote. Allowing younger voters might actually go some way towards changing the lack of attendance at polling stations. Instilling the habit of voting in every election at a younger age might mean they carry on voting in every election.

At the end of the day, I can't see there is anything not to be gained by it and of course, what do we really have to lose?
 
If we do, will 16 year olds be able to go into combat?
 

Sixty

ADC
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Something very England and Wales about the 'not grown up enough' argument. People can get married without parental consent in Scotland at 16. They can work and pay taxes.

No taxation without representation.
 

Legs

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DaManBugs

LE
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Of course kids are more susceptible to socialist bollocks about how great the world would be if the big bad capitalists have all their money stolen off them.

Luckily 99.5% of the adult population sees it for a crock of shit that it is, hence why so few people vote for them
Wrong again, slapper! Kids are well able to differentiate between genuine Socialist ideals and the simplistic drivel that folks like you spout. They’re also very concerned about the level of inequality and injustice in the world. They ask some very intelligent questions and it’s always a pleasure to discuss with them, because they’ll form the next generation of voters and if they can see through the lies and corrupt claptrap of the present political parties, then we might just get voters who can make better and more informed choices.

Of course, it never occurs to you to ask where the “big, bad Capitalists” got their money from in the first place.

MsG
 

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