Letter in the Times - Defence assets for tsunami rescue

#1
It made me chuckle...

See http://www.timesonline.co.uk/newspaper/0,,172-1425814,00.html
From Mr Ivar Hellberg

Sir, I endorse the plea that HM warships with desalination plants and helicopters, along with field hospitals, should be sent to the stricken area without delay (letter, December 29).

I understand that a task force could be put together, made up of assets from three regular field hospitals and eleven TA field hospitals, together with two field engineer regiments with plant equipment, two signal communication regiments, one pioneer regiment, two logistics battalions and maritime and air despatch units with C17 and C130 transport planes.

This would be in addition to Army and Royal Marine units with amphibious ship- ping that could be made available. I believe that this could be done without compromising our efforts in Iraq.

Given the incredible generosity of the British public, why is the Government not committing these assets?
My emphasis :roll:

For someone in his position he should know better :evil:
 
#3
Oops - cut the footer off :oops:
Yours faithfully,
IVAR HELLBERG
(Executive Director, The Resilience Centre),
Cranfield University,
The Defence Academy,
Shrivenham SN6 8LA.
January 4.
Mind you, this makes him an academic, rather than someone who knows his arrse from his elbow :evil:
 
#5
He was quite an explorer. Took an army team up Everest in the 70's when he was a captain in the RCT.
 

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#6
Hooray! Another Mobilisation :D

Think what you'd be able to "swap" for a packet of Dumplings in Syrup out there :twisted:
 
#7
OldSnowy said:
Hooray! Another Mobilisation :D

Think what you'd be able to "swap" for a packet of Dumplings in Syrup out there :twisted:
Have I stumbled into the NAAFI by mistake? Or am I just reading very questionable taste into that comment? In any event, given the disaster that's just taken place, I'd rather be there than here just now. And it would be nice to see the armed forces being used for something even the Guardian and Independent would support.
 

maninblack

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#9
I entirely agree with Mr Hellberg.

I would like to know why we have not sent four, or perhaps even six of our Field Hospitals out to the area; afterall, they are not otherwise comitted at the moment as we all know that only a fraction of our medical units are currently in Iraq.


God Bless Mr Bliar, saviour of the world.
 
#10
Do you think we can afford it, not a hope in hell, look at how much it would cost, I would rather have the right equipment than go hell for leather over their to be seen as doing the right thing
 
#12
Mr Hellebrg has a starry eyed view of the magic remedy of desalination plants.

Desalination plants in ships make enough water for the ship’s company, augmentees and machinery requirements. Any extra allows for maintenance and breakdown periods of said plant or operating in coastal waters where increased pollution makes turning sea water into fresh a risky business regardless of sterilization procedures. SE Asian coastal waters will be especially polluted at the moment. Sterilisation will kill bacteria and viruses but have zero effect on chemical pollutants which also damage certain types of desalination plant (beyond repair).

Making water while at anchor isn’t recommended as the water maker intake may be contaminated by the sewage treatment plant outlet. Yum. If there is water to spare, it still has to get from the ship's tanks to a big enough shore reception. Is there a jetty left standing that a ship can berth on?

If a ship has the cargo capacity, better to store up with crates of bottled water. It's easier to get it ashore, keep sterile and easier to distribute.
 
#13
Do you think we can afford it, not a hope in hell, look at how much it would cost, I would rather have the right equipment than go hell for leather over their to be seen as doing the right thing
You would rather have the right equipment 307? What "Right equipment" would that be

Seen to be doing the right thing And damn right too. Sri Lanka , formerly Ceylon is a BRITISH Commonwealth country. We should have been first on station , with the Indians and Australians, getting stuck in and showing as the head of the Commonwealth , we give a damn.



But hey , let's take our lead from the Prime Minister , who decided he'd rather be soaking up the Sun in Egypt, and leaving the effort to America.

Is Blair on a mission to marginalise Britain on the world stage?

Yes I did listen to the Today programme this morning, and the more I listen to the Celestial Charlatan , the more I realise he has indeed dumped the file marked "General Moral Obligations" in the circular cabinet.


I am damn sure I am not the only person feeling slightly embarrassed at my Governments' perceived sloth to act.

We should do the right thing , and we should be seen to be doing it.
 
#14
All this is unneccessary - Our Lord & Saviour of Mankind, President Bliar is sending 100 Gurkas. Problem solved.
 
#15
which were then turned down.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4147619.stm

"They have accepted the idea of the two helicopters, but given the number of infantry soldiers already in the region, they felt further ground troops weren't required."

A Downing Street spokesman added the government was "relaxed" about the decision, saying it was up to the Indonesian government to decide what type of assistance was needed.


clearly downing street are all smoking their "it's not my problem, i'll do something tomorrow maybe" fags again.
 
#16
We can't send any Medical facilities as we are way overstretched with just the Op deployments we have at present! Three regular Field Hospitals on paper only, we couldn't staff one fully without relying on the TA :oops:

Glad to see some people are up-to-date with the current state of affairs :roll:
 
#17
A Downing Street spokesman added the government was "relaxed" about the decision, saying it was up to the Indonesian government to decide what type of assistance was needed.
They offered troops to Indonesia? WTF? Indo Armed Forces are bigger than ours I believe. That's like offering help, when you are almost certain it will be turned down.

Sri Lanka is the concern. Why are we offering help to the Indo's when they have more than enough money , troops and lift to get the job done? Or is all their Military expenditure paid for by "soft" loans?

The Government is relaxed? FMOBB "Chill Winston"
 
#18
The offer was for a company of Gurhkas (presently in Brunei) and a couple of helicopters. I'll bet that the reason the Indonesians said no thanks was, as you say, they have a competent enough military and that they don't need the additional hassle of having to co-ordinate any more external assets. The Gov't has also made a similar offer to the Sri Lankans.
 

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#19
Convenience, Coincidence, or something more?

Strange how the Tsunami devsatated the very area of Indonesia that has been in revolt against the Government for years, and in which human rights abuses by Indonesian Government Forces were reportedly widespread.

Also, it devastated the very coastline of NE / E Sri Lanka which is the heartland of the Tamil Tigers (been in revolt against the Government, etc...)

Sorry, time for me to put the tinfoil back on my head :roll:
 
#20
I do hope them Coastal defences in Co Down are up to spec OS

After you with the Bacofoil :D
 

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