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Letter from TV Licencing threatening house vist - best way to have fun with them?

#1
Mrs Jim and I live in a converted victorian house, which is now turned into two flats. Both flats share the same address and there is no distinction between them (e.g. top/bottom flat or flat A/B No XXX Road) and we share a front door We also own a TV licence and pay by direct debit.

Today a random letter appeared out the blue from TV licencing threatening a visit as there was no TV licence present. The thing is though that it was adressed to 'Flat B XXX Road', which is not an address either of our flats has. We assume downstairs has a licence given no 'angry letters to say you've not got a licence' have ever turned up at the address before, which they are usually good at.

From a serious perspective, given they've sent it to an address which doesnt technically exist, how can they conduct a visit, or issue proceedings against an address? Also if they do start to be difficult, can potential action have any impact on my own flats credit or other ratings?

If they do turn up, is there anything I can say or do to really wind the little ******* up, as I utterly despise them (something to do with them harrassing my grandfather for not paying his TV licence due to his having the audacity to die several months previously and their ignoring plenty of reminders to that effect) and want to annoy them as much as possible.

Any ideas on what I can do, both seriously and also to have some fun with the scum?
 
#2
Barring a search warrant, NO ONE can enter your house without your permission, nor can they force you to comply. Play dumb and act guilty and see where they take it.
 
#3
Mrs Jim and I live in a converted victorian house, which is now turned into two flats. Both flats share the same address and there is no distinction between them (e.g. top/bottom flat or flat A/B No XXX Road) and we share a front door We also own a TV licence and pay by direct debit.

Today a random letter appeared out the blue from TV licencing threatening a visit as there was no TV licence present. The thing is though that it was adressed to 'Flat B XXX Road', which is not an address either of our flats has. We assume downstairs has a licence given no 'angry letters to say you've not got a licence' have ever turned up at the address before, which they are usually good at.

From a serious perspective, given they've sent it to an address which doesnt technically exist, how can they conduct a visit, or issue proceedings against an address? Also if they do start to be difficult, can potential action have any impact on my own flats credit or other ratings?

If they do turn up, is there anything I can say or do to really wind the little ******* up, as I utterly despise them (something to do with them harrassing my grandfather for not paying his TV licence due to his having the audacity to die several months previously and their ignoring plenty of reminders to that effect) and want to annoy them as much as possible.

Any ideas on what I can do, both seriously and also to have some fun with the scum?
Jim, from your post it would appear that you are completely in the clear from every angle.

So however you wish to have a bit of fun with these *******, I would propose fire. Lots of fire.
 
#6
I know we are in the clear - on a vaguely serious note I just want to make sure that any hassle doesnt impact on our credit rating etc, particularly trying to get the fuckwits to accept that there is no such address as Flat B which could be a challenge.

I just wonder what I can do if I have the joy of meeting them and really really annoying them and winding them up because I really, really dislike them.
 
#9
I know we are in the clear - on a vaguely serious note I just want to make sure that any hassle doesnt impact on our credit rating etc, particularly trying to get the fuckwits to accept that there is no such address as Flat B which could be a challenge.

I just wonder what I can do if I have the joy of meeting them and really really annoying them and winding them up because I really, really dislike them.
Nowt to do with your credit file or credit rating.
 
#10
Unless you are silly enough to actually admit you are watching telly without a licence (or invite them in while said evidential telly is on in the corner of the room), there is absolutely nothing they can do. If you have a licence, and there is no separate entrance to the other "flat", they cannot show there is even a separate household in existence.

Unless you wish to amuse yourself by following the recommendations on this (anti-licencing) website, then just bin the letters.

Tips for Avoiding TVL/BBC harassment
 
#11
Mrs Jim and I live in a converted victorian house, which is now turned into two flats. Both flats share the same address and there is no distinction between them (e.g. top/bottom flat or flat A/B No XXX Road) and we share a front door We also own a TV licence and pay by direct debit.

Today a random letter appeared out the blue from TV licencing threatening a visit as there was no TV licence present. The thing is though that it was adressed to 'Flat B XXX Road', which is not an address either of our flats has. We assume downstairs has a licence given no 'angry letters to say you've not got a licence' have ever turned up at the address before, which they are usually good at.

From a serious perspective, given they've sent it to an address which doesnt technically exist, how can they conduct a visit, or issue proceedings against an address? Also if they do start to be difficult, can potential action have any impact on my own flats credit or other ratings?

If they do turn up, is there anything I can say or do to really wind the little ******* up, as I utterly despise them (something to do with them harrassing my grandfather for not paying his TV licence due to his having the audacity to die several months previously and their ignoring plenty of reminders to that effect) and want to annoy them as much as possible.

Any ideas on what I can do, both seriously and also to have some fun with the scum?


Someones bought a telly and given the address as theirs
 
#12
Open the door, don't let them in, tell them you don't watch BBC, listen to them waffle about courts etc and litigation, waffle back and ask for I'd etc then say you are a terrible thief of telly, when you say that they will caution you..half way through the caution tell them to **** off and close the door.

Its all inadmissable...
On the contrary, what he says he SAW is most definitely admissible as evidence, and if he heard (or can see) what sounds like a working telly, this can be presented to a JP as part of a request for a search warrant. If, when the plods have smashed your door in because you weren't within earshot of the door, you have a working telly which is set up to receive real-time broadcast transmissions, you will be summonsed.
 
#13
Own a property on a neighbouring island. Terrestrial Tv signal does not exist so no tv, however that has not stopped the tv licence nazis from sending the usual barrage of very threatening letters. I dont tell them and they are unlikely to ever send anyone out there, however by so doing letters are sent every six weeks or so. The way I look at it is that it Keeps postie in a job whilst wasting their resources.
 
#14
A Television can be used to watch DVD/Video as well as RECORDED TV programmes (I really mean something like IPlayer). The onus is on the TV Licensing authority to prove to a court that you were caught using it to watch or recieve/record LIVE Broadcast or that other devices (Mobiles PC's) were being used to watch Live Broadcast, without a broadcast receiving license being held for that property.
Incidentally in these modern times of Digital broadcasting, you can listen to radio broadcasts on your TV through Freeview, listening to radio no longer requires a license.
 
#16
I had the mongs turn up at the door after 2 yrs of letters which got chucked in the bin. They tried playing good/bad cop and refused to tell me who they were kept asking if I was the owner or lived at the address or was mr noname(which I gave crapita over the phone when I moved to the address) kept refusing to disclose who they were and kept asking the same questions and on it went until one pulled out his ID card like it was a warrent card. they got told to **** off and the door slammed in their face. Funnily enough they never came back and the letters from the BBC have now stopped. Once they realise you know what your doing they go and prey on some poor bastard who wont stand up to them.
 
#17
Someones bought a telly and given the address as theirs
Yes, possibly. It is also possible that they have found, on some database or other, an address which implies the flat is a separate address. In that event, they will try and get another licence fee out of someone, just as the cnuts always attempt to get one licence per bedroom in student accommodation.

The whole system is obsolescent; it's a failing business model, just like the radio licencing before it. Good. Long overdue. As soon as my Virgin broadband is fast enough (nearly) and reliable enough (not so nearly) I will cancel my licence ddi as I normally have to video most of the programmes I want to watch, as they're all on at silly o'clock, now.

That day can't come too soon, and as the BBC are stupid enough to behave the same as Sony/Warner and not jump into a legal download system quickly, then their whole little edifice will come tumbling down. I shall miss weekend Radio 2, but as long as Mrs Old_Nis can continue watching her Coronation St and other drivel, that's it. Before any of you say that "Corrie" is not BBC, I fccuking know it's not, and the fact that Mrs O_N only normally watches ITV just winds me up more.
 
#19
No its not, they come to interview you as an authority who can prosecute, so anything said prior to caution is inadmisable..
Although I totally agree with your wish to annoy them, you are missing the point utterly. While you are amusing yourself with your fake answers to them, (and you may inadvertently admit something useful), anything that he sees or hears is first-hand admissible evidence. You'd look a right spanner if your five year-old shouted "Dad, be quiet, I can't hear the telly!"

I'm not JSIW, but I know that I'd trust TVL to know all the interrogation questions they need to trip you up.

Further to your post quoted above, they wouldn't need anything more to prosecute. Your answers would be irrelevant if they can see or hear a working TV.
 
#20
What they saw?

In that case do they disclose their RIPA go ahead from the director general to carry out direct surveillance on licence dodgers they are going to interview?
They no more need permission to "report" a "crime" than you do if you see a scallie kicking someone's car side window. Again, you are raising straw-man arguments which would be irrelevant. It's just better to answer something along the lines of "TV Licencing, you say? Good-day to you" and close the door.
 

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