Let get rid of all cap badge

Let get rid of all cap badge

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#1
I know a lot of you out there would like to burn me in the stake for this.

There are a lot of emotions are attached to this issue of Cap badge and regitment titles. And every time when there is a major cut in the infantry and regiment getting merge there is always politics and infighting that cause by it.

Why don't we reverse the infantry regiment back to the numeral system that was used before the Cadwell reform in 1882. That will make inter-posting between battalions easier and probably help to create an enviroment for everyone to work together.
 
#2
And destroy the bedrock the British Army is based on. The "Regimental System". Hating everything outside your immediate sphere of influence in a smart, uniform & soldier like manner.
 
#3
You mean what is left of the Regimental system after the latest cut, by any chance? Some regiments such as PWRR have merged so many time that there almost as much as continuity a regiment formed last night.
 
#4
Greyman

stop trying to wind us up you cheeky little journo troll.

Go away.
 
#7
what and end up like the yanks. 13/6/8/5//8/9 company battlion platoon. thats just shite.
 
#8
Or like the Kiwi, 1st & 2nd Royal NZ infantry Regiment. or Back to a time when it is the 1st of foot (Royal Scot). That isn't sound too bad to me. And definitely look very obvious to the public when the no. of infantry only run up to 31 instead of 108 plus Foot Guard back in 1881 before the Cadwell reform
 
#9
Consider a Corps of Infantry. Histories can be maintained in names, colours and insignia, while wearing an Infantry Corps capbadge. Works in Australia, New Zealand and South Africa....

1st Battalion (Royal Scots Borderers)
2nd Battalion (Queen's)
3rd Battalion (Cumbria)
4th Battalion (Northumberland Fusiliers)
5th Battalion (Warwickshire Fusiliers)
6th Battalion (King's)
7th Battalion (Vikings)
8th Battalion (Poachers)
9th Battalion (Devon and Dorset)
10th Battalion (Somerset and Cornwall LI))
11th Battalion (East Riding)
12th Battalion (North Riding)
13th Battalion (Lancashire)
14th Battalion (City of Glasgow)
15th Battalion (Cheshire)
16th Battalion (North Wales)
17th Battalion (South Wales)
18th Battalion (Royal Irish)
19th Battalion (Gloucesters)
20th Battalion (Foresters)
21st Battalion (West Riding)
22nd Battalion (Wessex)
23rd Battalion (Staffords)
24th Battalion (Black Watch)
25th Battalion (Ox and Bucks Light Infantry)
26th Battalion (Greenjackets)
27th Battalion (Durham Light Infantry)
28th Battalion (Highlanders)
29th Battalion (Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders)
30th Battalion (Parachute)
31st Battalion (Parachute)
32nd Battalion (Parachute)
 
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trojan

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#10
Sapukay said:
Consider a Corps of Infantry. Histories can be maintained in names, colours and insignia, while wearing an Infantry Corps capbadge. Works in Australia, New Zealand and South Africa....

1st Battalion (Royal Scots Borderers)
2nd Battalion (Queen's)
3rd Battalion (Cumbria)
4th Battalion (Northumberland Fusiliers)
5th Battalion (Warwickshire Fusiliers)
6th Battalion (King's)
7th Battalion (Vikings)
8th Battalion (Poachers)
9th Battalion (Devon and Dorset)
10th Battalion (Somerset and Cornwall LI))
11th Battalion (East Riding)
12th Battalion (North Riding)
13th Battalion (Lancashire)
14th Battalion (City of Glasgow)
15th Battalion (Cheshire)
16th Battalion (North Wales)
17th Battalion (South Wales)
18th Battalion (Royal Irish)
19th Battalion (Gloucesters)
20th Battalion (Foresters)
21st Battalion (West Riding)
22nd Battalion (Wessex)
23rd Battalion (Staffords)
24th Battalion (Black Watch)
25th Battalion (Ox and Bucks Light Infantry)
26th Battalion (Greenjackets)
27th Battalion (Durham Light Infantry)
28th Battalion (Highlanders)
29th Battalion (Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders)
30th Battalion (Parachute)
31st Battalion (Parachute)
32nd Battalion (Parachute)
dont the Guards regiments and Gurkhas count then ?
 
#12
Someone said that the straight numbered Bn thing worked well in the Aussie and Kiwi Armys.

At best it works OK but these are very small Armies. The practicallity of maintaining opportunities for NCOs and Officers in a small Army means you must have Infantry wide posting opportunities. Check out the Army Reserve (TA) system in Australia though and you are back to regional names for Bns. I can assure you that most in the Aussie Army are envious of the close family regimental British system but accept that it is not practical here.

Also look at the Canadian experiment with blending the 3 services, standardised uniforms, ranks, etc. Talk about killing dead your identity. Most Canadians I know still hate it.

Finally, when you are amongst the shit and shot of battle who or what are most soldiers fighting for? What binds them together? Is it our Tony? Sorry a little gag reaction there. Is it God? Nah. Is it Country? Yes to a degree? Is it Queen? A bit more. Is it regiment and regimental brothers in arms? Give the man a cigar.

Fukc off and leave the Regimental System alone.
 
#13
Sapukay said:
Consider a Corps of Infantry. Histories can be maintained in names, colours and insignia, while wearing an Infantry Corps capbadge. Works in Australia, New Zealand and South Africa....

1st Battalion (Royal Scots Borderers)
2nd Battalion (Queen's)
3rd Battalion (Cumbria)
4th Battalion (Northumberland Fusiliers)
5th Battalion (Warwickshire Fusiliers)
6th Battalion (King's)
7th Battalion (Vikings)
8th Battalion (Poachers)
9th Battalion (Devon and Dorset)
10th Battalion (Somerset and Cornwall LI))
11th Battalion (East Riding)
12th Battalion (North Riding)
13th Battalion (Lancashire)
14th Battalion (City of Glasgow)
15th Battalion (Cheshire)
16th Battalion (North Wales)
17th Battalion (South Wales)
18th Battalion (Royal Irish)
19th Battalion (Gloucesters)
20th Battalion (Foresters)
21st Battalion (West Riding)
22nd Battalion (Wessex)
23rd Battalion (Staffords)
24th Battalion (Black Watch)
25th Battalion (Ox and Bucks Light Infantry)
26th Battalion (Greenjackets)
27th Battalion (Durham Light Infantry)
28th Battalion (Highlanders)
29th Battalion (Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders)
30th Battalion (Parachute)
31st Battalion (Parachute)
32nd Battalion (Parachute)
Those are all just Battalions. Wouldn't an Infantry Corps be comprised of Regiments? Even in the pre-Cardwell Infantry it did, didn't it?

Canada has had an Infantry Corps for some years (not referring to 'Unification'), but still has 'named' Regiments.
The great experiment with the CEF of WW1 creating numbered Infantry Bns was not a great success.
 
#14
...and I object to being dumped in a '13th' bn.
 
#15
Storeman Norman said:
...and I object to being dumped in a '13th' bn.
ditto - would make more sense for one of the Yorks mob to go there :D

lancslad
 
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benjaminw1

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#16
And of course long before 1881 many of the numbered *Regiments* had unique badges that they wore.

Ay quote the 1768 clothing warrant;

"FIRST, or ROYAL REGIMENT ... On the grenadiers' caps, the King's crest; also, the King's cypher within the circle of St. Andrew, and crown over it, as in the colours.
IId, or QUEEN'S ROYAL REGIMENT ... the lamb, being the ancient badge of the regiment.
IIId, or BUFFS ... On the grenadiers' caps, the King's crest; also, the dragon.
IVth, or KING'S OWN ROYAL REGIMENT ... the lion of England, being their ancient badge.
Vth ... On the grenadiers' caps, the King's crest; also, St. George killing the dragon.
VIIth, or ROYAL FUZILEERS ... On the grenadiers' caps, the King's crest; also, the rose within the garter and crown, as in the colours.
VIIIth, or KING'S REGIMENT ... On the grenadiers' caps, the King's crest; also, the white horse, as in the colours.
XVIIIth, or ROYAL IRISH. ... the lion of Nassau ... On the grenadiers' caps, the King's crest; also, the harp and crown, as in the colours.
XXIst, or ROYAL NORTH-BRITISH FUSILEERS ... On the grenadiers' caps, the King's crest; also, the thistle, as in the colours.
XXIIId, or ROYAL WELSH FUSILEERS ... rising sun, red dragon, and the three feathers in the coronet. Motto, "Ich dien."
XXVIIth, or INNISKILLING REGIMENT ... a castle with three turrets; St. George's colours flying, in a blue field; and the name Inniskilling over it.
XLIst, or INVALIDS ... On the grenadiers' caps, the King's crest; also the rose and thistle, as in the colours.
XLIId, or ROYAL HIGHLANDERS. ...On the grenadiers' caps, the King's crest; also, St. Andrew, as in the colours.
LXth, or ROYAL AMERICANS ... a flaming ray of gold, descending from the upper corner of each colour, towards the center."

Ay rest my case, Unique badges R'Us
 
#17
trojan, Foot Guards are always treated as a separate idenity to the rest of Infantry and the Gurkhas may be we can give them no 33rd to 35th.

Our Army are getting smaller and smaller by days with the current government. It would not be too far away from the position that the Auss & Kiwi are in.
 
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benjaminw1

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#19
Greyman said:
trojan, Foot Guards are always treated as a separate idenity to the rest of Infantry and the Gurkhas may be we can give them no 33rd to 35th.

Our Army are getting smaller and smaller by days with the current government. It would not be too far away from the position that the Auss & Kiwi are in.
B**ger off !

The 33rd is The Duke of Wellington's Regt.
 
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benjaminw1

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#20
"Col Charles Poole, who had spent years of service in the 67th Foot (merged after his retirement with the 37th Foot to form 2 Bn Hampshire Regiment) spoke for many a choleric old soldier when he replied to an invitation to a dinner given by the Hampshire Regiment: 'Damn names mean nothing. Since time immemorial regiments have been numbered according to their precedence in the Line. Nothing can alter the rightness of such a plan, and interfering boobies in the War office can have no effect on my determination to ignore their damned machinery at all costs to myself. I will not come to anything called a Hampshire Regimental Dinner. My compliments, Sir, and be damned."

from Military History Journal - Vol 5 No 5
 

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