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Less than 30% of Apache choppers "fit for purpose"

#2
Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaad news. Not totally surprising though given that Lynx, Gazelles, Pumas and Chinooks are going or have all gone the same way.
 
#3
Isn't Prince Harry gonna be an apache pilot?
 

Command_doh

LE
Book Reviewer
#4
There is no bottomless pit of money to keep our air assets servicable and fit for purpose, and as this is a war without end, where is the breaking point?

Surely its only a matter of time before something goes seriously wrong. The old line is 'people only start noticing when planes start falling out of the sky', so to modify that slightly - how far can our Forces go when they are persistently being battered around the head with the sh1tty end of the stick when it comes to getting enough of the right equipment to do the job?

I'm sure the Russian's had a similar issue with their Hinds, BTR's and heavy armour in the 70's and 80's, and they had considerablly higher numbers of conscripts, tanks, helicopters and APC's than we do. Fine, they had the CIA and U.S. money, Stingers and weapons to deal with, but we have Saudi, Kuwaiti, etc oil money to deal with, and Terry has an endless supply of brainwashed lunatic Jihadi's ready to throw themselves infront of the Coalition Forces every spring.

There just aren't enough Coalition Forces taking the lead in Afghanistan. There are loads of Nations in ISAF, but where is their long term commitment? It always seems to be The Yanks, us and the usual faces who go in for the long haul.
 
#5
What dp you expect, they have been stipping the stored air frames since day one, the MOD won't pay for the spares this is mentioned in both "Apache and Apache dawn"
 
#6
Totally irrelevant to thread....

Could we not purchase/manufacture some Spectres? Maybe a Chinnook with a few 30mm Rardens and some 7.62 Vulcans. Now we are talking CAS.
 
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chocolate_frog said:
Totally irrelevant to thread....

Could we not purchase/manufacture some Spectres? Maybe a Chinnook with a few 30mm Rardens and some 7.62 Vulcans. Now we are talking CAS.

We have enough Chinooks to go around :?
 
#8
All 48 Chinook HC2, HC2a, HC3, airframes are to be upgraded to a common configuration, this will involve new coms. defensive suites and " fat tanks" 50% more fuel in the near future
 
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#11
chocolate_frog said:
Totally irrelevant to thread....

Could we not purchase/manufacture some Spectres? Maybe a Chinnook with a few 30mm Rardens and some 7.62 Vulcans. Now we are talking CAS.

With what? Chocolate buttons?

WE HAVE NO MONEY!
 
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The-Lord-Flasheart said:
chocolate_frog said:
Totally irrelevant to thread....

Could we not purchase/manufacture some Spectres? Maybe a Chinnook with a few 30mm Rardens and some 7.62 Vulcans. Now we are talking CAS.

With what? Chocolate buttons?

WE HAVE NO MONEY!
Spectres are night-op only airframes and "manufacture some Spectres" isnt just like dust off the jigs and switch on the power to the production line!
 
#13
The 8 HC3 chinook could not be cleared for UK certification because of" unique avionics software" and this is now being removed to standardise the fleet
 
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CH512O said:
The-Lord-Flasheart said:
chocolate_frog said:
Totally irrelevant to thread....

Could we not purchase/manufacture some Spectres? Maybe a Chinnook with a few 30mm Rardens and some 7.62 Vulcans. Now we are talking CAS.

With what? Chocolate buttons?

WE HAVE NO MONEY!
Spectres are night-op only airframes and "manufacture some Spectres" isnt just like dust off the jigs and switch on the power to the production line!
Very true. It's like getting hold of a few Boeing 707s and suggesting you could turn them into E3Ds at the drop of a hat for bugger all.
 
#16
So I cant type. Under project "HELIX " the MOD is about to purchase three old USAF KC135's to convertinto RC135V/W Rivet Joint aircraft to replace the Nimrod R1
 

the_boy_syrup

LE
Book Reviewer
#17
CommanderLuke said:
Isn't Prince Harry gonna be an apache pilot?
No Wah

Dosn't the fact that he is a royal automatically double maintenace by half lifing most of the a/c's kit
I seem to recall Prince Andrew visiting Cyprus in a RIR colonel capacity and a Wessesx being stripped for him
 
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The-Lord-Flasheart said:
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It's like getting hold of a few Boeing 707s and suggesting you could turn them into E3Ds at the drop of a hat for bugger all.
Easy, take that big Spanish Paella bowl and weld it to the fuselage. Take the Sleazyjet trolley dolleys out of thier uniforms and put them in the more feminine RAF one. Then lower their IQ and personal / social skills, restore their virginity and teach them how to use machines that go ping.

Doddle
 
#19
I understand part of the problem is lack of spares. Spares cost money, and under the ridiculous RAB system the MOD gets charged by the Treasury for keeping spares it has already paid for. Hence the IPT can only support a limited number of aircraft, with real effects on both operations and aircraft.

RAB is a riduclous system introduced by this Government.
 
#20
tropper66 said:
So I cant type. Under project "HELIX " the MOD is about to purchase three old USAF KC135's to convertinto RC135V/W Rivet Joint aircraft to replace the Nimrod R1

I was laughing at your belief that they would be standardised.
 

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