Legal AK47?

#1
This will no doubt seem like a very strange question but is there any way of legally owning a fully working AK47 in this country?

If you can how on earth do you aquire said rifle? I can't imagine HM Revenue And Customs being all to keen on letting it through customs!
 
#6
or move abroad,,
work for blackwater.
live in malaysia.
russia.latvia. gorgia.or any other eastern block toilet.
 

ugly

LE
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#7
You can get newly made straight pull models for about £400. The gas port isnt drilled through the barrel and the piston is too short. Fun and reasonably accurate.
Or you could move over the pond:click and bang
 
#8
REMEbrat said:
This will no doubt seem like a very strange question but is there any way of legally owning a fully working AK47 in this country?

If you can how on earth do you aquire said rifle? I can't imagine HM Revenue And Customs being all to keen on letting it through customs!
Yes.

Perfectly straightforward. You need either a personal Firearm Certificate with Section 5 authority from the Home Secretary (Practically impossible) or you need to be a Registered Firearms Dealer with Section 5 authority from the Home Secretary. Loads of people fall into the latter category. They are either arms dealers or run film special effects armouries etc.

If you want to put it on your unit's armscote there's no legal reason to stop you as far as I know.
 
#9
No, mainly because of this man.



(But i suspect you we not even born when he kicked off)
 
#10
EX_STAB said:
You need either a personal Firearm Certificate with Section 5 authority from the Home Secretary
Why on earth would anybody need such a thing?

As you said, movie armourers are registered as dealers. How could any individual justify the need for an automatic rifle? Presumably it can't be used for hunting, unless you are fond of eating mince.
 
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#12
I recall an old Soviet General coming to Bisley about 3 years ago to promote a brand of Vodka he was marketing; his name (and the Vodka) was Kalashnikov and the visit was kept quiet (I have always assumed so the TR brand was not tarnished!) and a few photos were taken of General Kalahnikov with his invention.

Now comes the funny bit;........................ the poor old sod was not allowed to shoot an AK and had to be content with firing a gas film prop AK47 after a S.5 dealer demonstrated the real thing.
It sounds bollocks, but there again put British gun law and the NRA together and you get bollocks!
 
#13
Only straight pull as Ugly says.

Apparently rounds from a straight pull garand or centre fire rifle don't hurt as much.

As much as I was aggreived at the banning of sporting pistols I genuinley see no reason why a civillian would need to own a semi automatic rifle.
 
#14
Ancient_Mariner said:
EX_STAB said:
You need either a personal Firearm Certificate with Section 5 authority from the Home Secretary

Why on earth would anybody need such a thing?


As you said, movie armourers are registered as dealers. How could any individual justify the need for an automatic rifle? Presumably it can't be used for hunting, unless you are fond of eating mince.
Museum Collection is the obvious one.

Lots of people have section 5 authority for all sorts o things. I know people with Section 5 authority on personal firearms certificates for pistols and dart guns. The same principle applies.

If you stop to think about it, I am potentially far more deadly with my sniper rifle than I could be with an AK.

It's the person that's safe or not rather than the firearm.

Nutters will always come up with something as in this case from Sullivan School in Northern Ireland:

On 17 June 1994, Garnet Bell, a former pupil, entered the School Hall during an A Level exam carrying an improvised flame thrower, containing petrol and paraffin. Bell discharged the device, burning six pupils, three of them seriously. He was subsequently found guilty of three cases of attempted murder and three of grievous bodily harm, receiving six life sentences.

During his defence Bell claimed he was under the influence of temazepam at the time of the attack, and bore a grudge against the school for not providing him with adequate career advice. He was also convicted of the arson of his brother's house whom he unsuccessfully intended to kill.

Bell died while serving his sentence in prison.
 
#15
minister_doh_nut said:
Only straight pull as Ugly says.

Apparently rounds from a straight pull garand or centre fire rifle don't hurt as much.

As much as I was aggreived at the banning of sporting pistols I genuinley see no reason why a civillian would need to own a semi automatic rifle.
My disabled mate Pete might argue the toss with you on that one......

As would everyone who has a 22 rimfire semiauto rifle.
 
#16
IN the bill of rights we used to have the right to own arms for self defence.
in practical times the difference of mayhem you could cause with say a lee enfield and an ak47 is minor.
probably inflict more deaths with a bolt action as you actually have to aim
 
#17
EX_STAB said:
My disabled mate Pete might argue the toss with you on that one......

As would everyone who has a 22 rimfire semiauto rifle.
He might argue, but he'd have to come up with a really good argument, show me the legitimate competitions and reasons for ownership.

I am very very biased towards the shooting fraternity, but I didn't have a problem handing in my Ruger Mini 14... I only shot it to have a blat!

What competitions are there for .22 semi auto's?

semi auto small bore pistols are banned, Standard pistol was a fantastic and well represented event.... we still handed our target pistols in
 
#18
minister_doh_nut said:
He might argue, but he'd have to come up with a really good argument, show me the legitimate competitions and reasons for ownership.
How about "civilians alongside" at the Imerial meeting?
Re introduced in 1999 after an absense of I think 27 years; I have shot it since 1999 with the exception of two years and according to the winter 2007 NRA journal that came through the letter box yesterday I doubt if they will hold again in it's current form.

It looks like all change for SR shooting although the MOD have agreed to use Bisley for the next three years. This throws me into a dilemma as I have just agreed to but an Enfield L39A1 from a mate and change the TR sights for service sights:
L39A1 + service sights = Probably the best National Match Rifle this country never had!
 

ugly

LE
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#19
.22 rimfire semi auto are practial for pest control, used in the 3 gun events such as Bianchi phoenix etc and also good for the running boar. I shoot 9 .22 rimfires, 2 are semi auto, one is for pest control and some nights I have despatched 5 foxes, 3 all sat next to each other. The other one is an original 1903 Winchester with an A5 scope and I shoot it in classic optic sighted comps where changing position to reload would affect accuracy and also speed.
 
#20
Not an auto version without a section 5 FAC but if you can make do with a straight pull or a 12 Bore semi auto shotgun there is a company that imports them and you can buy one on an easier to get liciences
 
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