Legal Aid meets Human Rights act... again.

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Geology graduate forced to leave voluntary work at museum to sweep up at Poundland challenges legality of Government work experience scheme | Mail Online

Apparently the new(ish)ly implemented workfare system breaches various articles set up to prevent slavery and force labour, such as the horror of stacking shelves and sweeping up n Poundland when you have a Geology Degree and would much rather work in a museum.

I am sure those Eastern European human trafficked sex slaves would feel her pain.
 
#2
Age of austerity clearly not applying to legal aid again.
 
#3
It's not ******* slavery FFS!


She's free to leave any time she wants, but that will mean she doesn't get benefits.

In other words, she can quit but won't get paid. I'm pretty sure that's called work.
 
#4
So in an age when we're complaining that graduates have no real life experience to help them in their workplace, we're to insist that graduates give up work experience that will help them in their intended workplace?

Can't we just send them to the countryside to learn from peasants? Wouldn't that be far more ideologically satisfying?

If it's been sent from my HTC Sensation using Tapatalk then I'm probably pissed.
 
#5
It's not ******* slavery FFS!


She's free to leave any time she wants, but that will mean she doesn't get benefits.

In other words, she can quit but won't get paid. I'm pretty sure that's called work.
She isn't paid for the work, she is given cash benefits for being unemployed.
 
#6
And one of the conditions of receiving that money is that she does the work. What difference does it make?
 
#7
She's given money to support her in her search for work, if she wants to do voluntary work she can do it in her own time. My employer wouldn't permit it, neither would yours so why should the taxpayer?
 
#8
And one of the conditions of receiving that money is that she does the work. What difference does it make?
Have you read the article even?

It was not a condition, she was mislead about this and told it was mandatory when it was not.

If the state or any private sector company wants her to work they should pay her a wage, which they were not doing.

She's given money to support her in her search for work, if she wants to do voluntary work she can do it in her own time. My employer wouldn't permit it, neither would yours so why should the taxpayer?
It would also be illegal for your or my employer to force you to work unremunerated.
 
#9
Nobody's FORCING her!

She's not been locked in a shed, or told by her pimp that she'll be killed.
 
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She isn't paid for the work, she is given cash benefits for being unemployed.
Theoretically she is being is being paid for the work - in the form of job seekers benefits.

Still she wants to continue her slave labour for the museum where shes not paid either, other than benefits but thats ok.
 
#13
Having stated that she was unsupervised and untrained in her forced labour in Poundland, has she been trained and is she supervised in her unpaid work in the museum? If not has she raised this point? Is she in fact not attacking Poundland or the JSA at all but laying the foundation for a huge claim off the museum? Once she gets a settlement off Poundland them she can take on the real target armed with a favourable legal judgement.

I think she is playing the long game.
 
#14
Can she not do both? Poundlands aren't that big, wont take long to sweep.
I'm sure she could with the other 18hrs of the day as she was only working for 5hrs of the day and I fial to see how her voluntary slave labour was longer than a few hours
 
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The voluntary work she did in the museum was probably of worth to the public purse unlike being a slave for poundland.

Lets be blunt here, no one should be forced to do jobs aimed at those with learning difficulties in some attempt to give them "training" that is in fact worthless and simple exploitation.
 
#16
Seems pointless she was doing something poundland was unlikely to make her more employable its just at least two firms were getting paid for her to be there.
if they were competant they could have found a graduate a bit more relevant work experiance.
 
#17
It's not unremunerated, nor is it forced. It's one of the conditions of receiving JSA.
It is unremunerated since it constitutes labour and it is not paid in accordance with the terms of the National Minimum Wage Act 1998.

For the last time, it is not a condition of receiving JSA - this was the misleading impression given by job centre staff.

If you were presented with a choice of working (unpaid) in exchange for subsistence level benefits, or no income whatsoever and destitution, homelessness etc, then I would say that constitutes being 'forced' to do something.
 
#18
This was done weeks ago.

It doesn't state what type of work she was doing at the museum, it may have tied in with her hoped for career in which case it adds much needed experience.

I've found out a lot of archealogy types sometimes do voluntary work in museums covering their area to gain additional knowledge and experience to help compete in their early jobs.

I did voluntary work doing between contracts just to keep fresh in my area of work. It's actually OK to do so when on the dole so long as you don't exceed a specific number of hours.

I was compelled to attend a job search seminar at the local dole office when I'd already attended, the week before, one to one stuff by outsourced organisations arranged by the dole office which had been offered when I signed on. My impression from first hand experience is the staff in those places seldom know what they're doing or what is actually obligatory. They can be very good at scaring off a potential employer when you've an interview under the belt. Interestingly enough on that day I had to attend for this waste of time, I had 2 phone interviews arranged and when I refused to switch of my mobile for this reason I was threatened with loss of benefits by the person running it. One formal complaint later and she had to apologise to me in person. The staff in dole offices aren't interested in you finding work, only in getting their performance boxes ticked.
 
#19
Ok, so it's not a condition. Being asked to do some kind of work experience whilst in receipt of JSA does not seem to me to be unreasonable, personally I would expect it but then that's just me. The whole voluntary work thing is a red herring, if she's doing it she's not seeking work.

She is just put out that someone of her calibre is being asked to do something she regards as below her and feels that you as a taxpayer should fund her preferred lifestyle.
 
#20
She is just put out that someone of her calibre is being asked to do something she regards as below her and feels that you as a taxpayer should fund her preferred lifestyle.
Alternatively, she may be put out that her chances of building a career for herself are being hindered by being compelled to give up a relevant voluntary job to attend a short-term dead-end instead.

I thought we were supposed to be in favour of people improving their station in life?
 
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