Lee Enfield No3 Question

#1
Aquired a No3 over the weekend and on inspection of the barrell there is only one groove for the rifling. Ive seen an know about a few that only had two but never heard of this before.

Anyone got an idea?
 
#3
Will put some piccies up later.

Doesn't appear to be a copy, certainly not an Indian or Welsh reconstruction. Woodwork appears mint and original was just a bit gobsmacked when I held it up to the light.

Groups perfectly but not taken it further than 100, so could well make a card look like a mad womans sh1t. :D
 
#4
minister_doh_nut said:
Will put some piccies up later.

Doesn't appear to be a copy, certainly not an Indian or Welsh reconstruction. Woodwork appears mint and original was just a bit gobsmacked when I held it up to the light.

Groups perfectly but not taken it further than 100, so could well make a card look like a mad womans sh1t. :D
So are you bringing it to the ARRSE shoot to demonstrate your one groove prowess? :)
 
#5
Well, It sounds like the simplified version of the MkIII that was made during World War one to ease production. It could even be that it may be a none-UK version as the No.3 was the standard Lee-Enfield throughout the empire, even during World War two.

It may well be the reason the aforementioned states did not adopt the No.4, maybe multiple rifling is too confusing for the colonials.
 
#6
Rifle No 3 or Rifle No1 Mk 3 (or III)?

Not that I've ever heard of a single groove barrel for either, mind you. But I'm not an expert.
 
#7
its a No 3 mate
 
#8
minister_doh_nut said:
its a No 3 mate
It must be rare as rare anyway. Do you think it was an experimental one to see what the effects of one groove rifling were? They did a lot of research into simplifying manufacture.

Ugly will turn up in a bit.
 
#9
Pwhoar! Bet she looks great, get those photos up pronto - hows the action?
 
#10
Hang on, is this a No. 3 in the sense of a P14? If it is it's not a Lee Enfield.
I was thinking of the No1 mk V and VI
 
#12
Chaps apologies, I'm a tube....

Its the No4 not the No3 with the single groove Rifling....

Yep, I feel a tool!
 
#14
minister_doh_nut said:
Chaps apologies, I'm a tube....

Its the No4 not the No3 with the single groove Rifling....

Yep, I feel a tool!
In that case I'll bet it's from Long Branch. I have heard that some Canadian No.4s were made with only one groove, but never seen it.

Can you post a photo where we can see the rifling?
 

ugly

LE
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#15
mdn it could be 2 groove savage rifling badly worn, nothing surprising there! Is the rifle stamped US property or have a S in a square? If the bolt removal groove is in the area of the bolt its one of the simplified for production models from savage made under lend lease! bring it along!
 
#16
Rifle is mint and Barrel is pretty unused, definatley one groove
 

ugly

LE
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#17
Then I'll check Skennerton for trials of 1 groove rifleing, any markings on it?
 

ugly

LE
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#18
I cant find a reference for 1 groove rifling, I wish I had known before last nights meeting I could have raised the question!
 
#19
Minister_doh_nut,

No4s were made with 2,4,5 and 6 groove barrels, and 3-groovers were tested but not produced. I don't think that there has ever been a one-groove barrel on an Enfield, or any other rifle for that matter - surely such rifling would leave the bullet asymetric and therefore very unstable?

The only other thing I can think of is that someone has got hold of a part-cut 2-groove barrel and fitted it to the rifle. Evenso, I can't believe that it would shoot straight, for the above reason!

Whereabouts are you? Your rifle sounds interesting, and a quick look at it might let us ID it.

BTW, I'm an Enfield collector/RFD and I own, or have examined, 100s and 100s of the things.
 
#20
Bring it the ARRSE shoot. Bisley, Short Siberia 0830-1630 10th March followed by curry. Shoot should be about a tenner, don't know about the curry.
 

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