leave the EU or stay ?

leave the EU or stay ?


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#1
place your votes gents in the light of our recent dealings with the EU and Bliar fantastic giveaway for fcuk all.
the French tossers getting their own way again !!
 
#2
We should leave the EU now.
 
#3
Stay. Despite all of the recent rebate ball-ache, we do billions in trade (mostly in services) with EU countries and we risk exposing ourselves to tariffs if we leave. Businesses would face greater uncertainty, so would invest less, and therefore unemployment goes up.
 
#4
The EU not perfect, but peaceful compromise with the neighbours is better than the alternative.



Supplementary question.

How many of you who voted that Britian should leave have a family member living somewhere else in the EU or pla to work somewhere in the o UK EU?
 
#5
Amen Pteranadon. EU open borders have also introduced another popular phenomenon - the fit Lithuanian barmaid. Do these people realise the gift they are rejecting?
 
#7
Out now, it's a talking shop for Knobbers that then inflict their barmy ideas on us. It's an insane waste of money - and worst of all, TCB's greatest ambition is to give us away entirely, then become President of the E.U.
 
#8
Out of the EU institutions but in for the trade advantages. We could negotiate a deal as good as we get now because our markets are as impoprtant to them as theirs are to us. The European Economic Area still exists and that might be a good basis for a move. There's no reason at all why we shouldn't have a barmaid friendly immigration policy without having to put up with the likes of Chirac and those gangsters in Brussels.

And we should dump the European Convention on Human Rights at the same time. We wrote the bloody thing in 1945 to give the Euro lot the same rights we had had for years under British law.
 
#9
nodandawink said:
Amen Pteranadon. EU open borders have also introduced another popular phenomenon - the fit Lithuanian barmaid. Do these people realise the gift they are rejecting?
The other issue is the reduced cost of BEER, WINE and CARS now that there is competiton. Here are some numbers..

In 2003 Britons quaffed £5bn worth of wine. When I was a student the cheapest near ly undrinkable wine was around £2 per bottle with somethign vaguely drinkable starting at £3. Thirty years later you can still buy wine at £2-3 - despite inflation. If EU membership has saved the consumer about 20% a year, then thats about £1 Billion per year to us wine drinkers ....

According to the British Beer and Pub association the British drink 28 million pints of beer a day approximately £10 Bn pints per year. We know EU imports have squeezed brewer profit marging because John Young bvleats about it in Youngs plc annual reports. If competition from continental imports has shaved 10 p a pint off the price then thats a saving of £1 Bn per year to us beer drinkers.

Around 2.5 million new cars are sold in the UK every year. About 20 years ago British cars used to be 25% more than comparable vehicles on the continent. It used to be worth while buying a new car in Germany tax free, owning it for a year in Germany and two in the UK and still sell it for more than you paid in Germany! If the average price of a new car is £10k then British motorist is £5 Billion a year better off.

These are around £7 Bn a year -the magic rebate number.

But other than reduced costs, access to larger markets and eastern european totty in most London pubs the EU has done Absolutely Nothing.....
 
#10
What's the point in this thread? Apart from Pteranadon, it's just one line statements with no knowledge or thought. As I said in the other thread:

StabTiffy2B said:
You guys are looking at the short-term tactical problems associated with the EU. Fixing these will simply give way to more problems.

Instead we should focus on the Strategic problems with the EU.

I would argue that we should deepen as opposed to broadening the EU (the current policy) and the system should be overhauled to remove power from the commission and to make the parliaments decisions binding.
The focus should be here.

Simply stating "I want out cause I hate the french, yeah", is a waste of all our time.
 
#12
Out of the political and legal influence of Brussels, certainly. And while we're at it reinstate trade with the Commonwealth our masters turned their backs on. If possible, leave.
 
#14
Out and out now, as regards tariffs, since we import more from the EU than we export we could slap tariffs on their goods, who would hurt more?

As for cheap cars, wine and beer, the money pumped into Europe could have saved our own car industry (ok maybe, don't forget we paid a lot of tax on new cars, wonder where that money went?) and Jap motors are better anyway. Beer might be cheaper if we didn't have to pay loads of tax in order to keep Ireland et al, in the style they have become accustomed to thanks to our generosity, and as far as wine goes, New World wines are as good as, if not better than European plonk.

If Britain left, the EU would fall apart pretty rapidly, who else is stupid enough to pay for those nice French farmers to do F**k all!
 
#15
Tazz said:
Out and out now, as regards tariffs, since we import more from the EU than we export we could slap tariffs on their goods, who would hurt more?

As for cheap cars, wine and beer, the money pumped into Europe could have saved our own car industry (ok maybe, don't forget we paid a lot of tax on new cars, wonder where that money went?) and Jap motors are better anyway. Beer might be cheaper if we didn't have to pay loads of tax in order to keep Ireland et al, in the style they have become accustomed to thanks to our generosity, and as far as wine goes, New World wines are as good as, if not better than European plonk.

If Britain left, the EU would fall apart pretty rapidly, who else is stupid enough to pay for those nice French farmers to do F**k all!
You're a moron. They put on a tariff of 10%, we put on 15%, they put on 20%. See where this is going?

I'm just glad that you're in no position of Authority.
 
#16
Stay. It would be fecking stupid to jump out of the largest trading block in the world.
 
#17
Stay. Free trade, hot French chicks, hot Czech chicks, hot Swedish chicks, cheaper beer and cars, and the near-certainty that all our wars will be in places hotter than Northern Norway.

Advocates of staying in the EEA and getting out of the EU should be aware that in that case we would still have to apply most EU regulations. As well as forbidding us to apply a tariff on other EEA states' goods and services (which is what a free trade area means), it also stops you having non-tariff barriers such as setting different safety requirements, labelling and such. So, you have to obey all the industrial regulations, but you don't get a vote in setting them. On the outside, we wouldn't have to pay into the EU budget, but we would have to allow subsidised EU agricultural exports into the country - so the farmers get screwed, or perhaps we could spend the saving on compensating them? Also, the various pots of cash that come back here would be cut off - a lot of the supposed £20 billion net saving would just be spent maintaining the same projects that exist now, or else we'd need to cut them all. That means screwing Cornwall, Jockland, and a lot of the north, or else not saving anything from quitting.

I don't think you can have differential tariffs with the rest of the world if you're in EEA, either, so we couldn't try to get a better deal with the Commonwealth, the yanks, or the Chinese without running the risk of a trade war with the EU (and the non-EU EEA states).

Edit, 'cos I forgot to mention this: back in the '90s, I think the EEA members were asked to contribute to the EU's Eastern European aid funds, so you don't necessarily get out of paying.
 
#18
Leave forthwith.

All this bollox about trading blocks is bogus - the Swiss manage as do the Norwegians.

Our taxpayers money should be spent on and for our taxpayers. Europe is as anti-Albion as the majority of us are suspicious of our chums across the Channel. We are being taken for the mugs we are, and financing the wasters and all their criminal MEPs/Commissioners. Their own auditors can't even bring themselves to sign off their accounts. The so called 'legislation' is stifling, yet the Eurowogs largely ignore it and carry on regardless whilst laughing their cocks off at us slavishly enacting it all.

It's pants - everyone knows it is. Now is the time to just be honest with ourselves, admit that we've been duped and that it's all been a big expensive mistake and fcuk off back to our side of the Channel to manage our own affairs.

Let's be GREAT BRITAIN again - the envy of the world.
 
#19
UK is the 4th biggest economy in the world - they need to trade with us.
We trade more with the septics (in both direction).
Spain's net receipts = UK's net payment.
The only way to sort the CAP out is for us to take back all the bits of France that rightfully belong to England.
The world would be a better place if two-thirds of it was still coloured red: the British Empire - now THAT'S what you call a trading block! 8)
 
#20
We should get out now. As has been proved in years gone. You can,t lump loads of countrys together whose citizens don,t want to be together. I just don,t want my great,great, grandkids fighting in the European civil war in the years to come. Because when we become The United States of Europe (which is the main goal of this Brussels malarkey) It won,t take long for tensions to rise and the sh1te to hit the fan. Sorry for ranting but I,ve just spent 5hrs drinking in the company of a load of right of centre builders.

BUUUUURRP. LT.
 
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