leading from the desk!!

#1
I was gutted to hear that one of my mates failed his bpfa (yes i do pass, thank you). However, was fuming to hear that our troop staffy ripped him a new arrsehole when he has been a lazy biff for the last 10 years!
If this was not bad enough this staffy regularly told bpfa failures and biffs they could not do sport/adventure training till they were FE (rightly so i hear you shout) but he is always swanning off sub aqua diving and taking troop sport!

I agree my mate needs a ripping but lets have it from a senior who stands in a position to give it. He also just got the go ahead to go on tour to take over from 16 sigs.

Your thoughts gentlemen if you please.
 
#2
I agree with you totaly

sounds about right that some power crazed senior has to have the last word and as always they have their double standards.

Tell the fat tw@ staffy to sort his life out or give me his name and il put him straight
 
#3
claret_and_blue said:
Tell the fat tw@ staffy to sort his life out or give me his name and il put him straight
LOL

Tough Guy.

Let the powers that be deal with the Staffy for being a unfit rod, and tell your mate to get himself sorted out, then he wouldn't be in a position to drip about double standards.
 
#4
LOL

Tough Guy.

Let the powers that be deal with the Staffy for being a unfit rod, and tell your mate to get himself sorted out, then he wouldn't be in a position to drip about double standards.[/quote]

Maybe i am the power that be :wink:
 
#5
Seems some are missing the point and one of the keystones of the military.
The rank structure.
Your "mate" shouldn't have failed such a basic test. Simple as. No if's and's but's or maybe's. It's not exactly hard these days.
The staffy is doing what a staffy should do (granted in this case as far as you've said he can't pass one).

If the boot were on the other foot in a few years and your "mate" was a troop Staffy and it was his job to ensure his troop all pass their bpfa's first time round, I'm sure he too would have something to say to some 'young' lad that failed such a basic and easy test.

I am guessing here, but if this staffy can't pass one, there may or may not be a good reason why he does participate.
 
#7
well its done me fine so far boney. I must have been to a few xmas raffles and i did realise i should start eating cereal for breakfast cos they keep falling out for many people.

Like i said earlier DOUBLE STANDARDS. If you cant or wont participate in something then it doesnt give you the right to crucify someone that does.
 
#8
claret_and_blue said:
well its done me fine so far boney. I must have been to a few xmas raffles and i did realise i should start eating cereal for breakfast cos they keep falling out for many people.

Like i said earlier DOUBLE STANDARDS. If you cant or wont participate in something then it doesnt give you the right to crucify someone that does.

PASS THE CHUFFIN TEST, ITS NOT HARD once you get past this things get so much easier
 
#9
claret_and_blue said:
well its done me fine so far boney. I must have been to a few xmas raffles and i did realise i should start eating cereal for breakfast cos they keep falling out for many people.

Like i said earlier DOUBLE STANDARDS. If you cant or wont participate in something then it doesnt give you the right to crucify someone that does.
Well, Mr Bigshot, I must say that your SD is highly impressive.........
 
#10
Farmer said:
If this was not bad enough this staffy regularly told bpfa failures and biffs they could not do sport/adventure training till they were FE (rightly so i hear you shout) but he is always swanning off sub aqua diving and taking troop sport!
Pretty bad admin really, on the surface it certainly appear to be hypocrisy. My boss in NI was medically downgraded with some dreamt-up back injury and didn't do a single session of PT in the entire tour. However, every few weeks he managed to get a duty warrant to go back to 21 Sigs for Corps badminton! How convenient that he hd a house near Bath huh?

beaker656 said:
Your "mate" shouldn't have failed such a basic test. Simple as. No if's and's but's or maybe's. It's not exactly hard these days.
What do you mean 'these days'? It's definitely not any easier now than it was a decade ago. OK, going back 15 years or so ago, we wore boots but got an extra minute on the time. These days they have to do the same run but there's also the press-ups and sit-ups. I know a few gyms where the AIPTs (how they love to call themselves PTIs) let the lads get about 10 press-ups done then say crap like 'none of them count cos you didn't go all the way down' or some other egotistical nonsense. My...how they swell with pride, somehow compensating for their lack of trade skills.

So let's acknowledge the simple fact that it's actually slightly harder than it was. We all know that the basic time for a PFT (under 30 yrs old) is still 10:30 but there are the added tests thrown in for good measure. It's easy for us old gits to slag off the youngsters but in this case I believe there's absolutely no evidence to answer whatsoever. Please correct me if you feel that I'm mistaken.

Regards,

CS
 
#11
Whilst per se I am not the best to comment on this test (as it is now), in fairness we shouldn't really be failing this test. However I have never understood the "Well if you don't pass you're not doing sport" argument. The chain of command should be actively encouraging those that fail their fitness tests to do more sport, I mean its physical fitness training just in a much more enjoyable guise.

Also PT should be inclusive, I personally hate it, primarily because if you're not particularly good at running 5 miles you're instantly seen as a biff, too be honest it's bollocks. I would rather see a soldier finish an 8 mile tab or run in his/her own time than have him/her get in the jack wagon because he/she can't keep up. The whole jack wagon is so anti-team. And the satisfaction in finishing regardless of how long it took is a boost to the individual.

I also hate the smug PTI who to be honest has little else to do all day than keep fit, trying to encourage you, they would be better off just staying silent and staying smug and let me crack on in my own personal hell.

:D
 
#12
Bow_Man said:
Whilst per se I am not the best to comment on this test (as it is now), in fairness we shouldn't really be failing this test. However I have never understood the "Well if you don't pass you're not doing sport" argument. The chain of command should be actively encouraging those that fail their fitness tests to do more sport, I mean its physical fitness training just in a much more enjoyable guise.

Also PT should be inclusive, I personally hate it, primarily because if you're not particularly good at running 5 miles you're instantly seen as a biff, too be honest it's balls. I would rather see a soldier finish an 8 mile tab or run in his/her own time than have him/her get in the jack wagon because he/she can't keep up. The whole jack wagon is so anti-team. And the satisfaction in finishing regardless of how long it took is a boost to the individual.

I also hate the smug PTI who to be honest has little else to do all day than keep fit, trying to encourage you, they would be better off just staying silent and staying smug and let me crack on in my own personal hell.

:D
So when you and the rest of the section have reached your objective, fat lad / lass turns up 7 hours later. Fantastic idea you hat cnut.
 
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#13
Bow_Man said:
Whilst per se I am not the best to comment on this test (as it is now), in fairness we shouldn't really be failing this test. However I have never understood the "Well if you don't pass you're not doing sport" argument. The chain of command should be actively encouraging those that fail their fitness tests to do more sport, I mean its physical fitness training just in a much more enjoyable guise.

Also PT should be inclusive, I personally hate it, primarily because if you're not particularly good at running 5 miles you're instantly seen as a biff, too be honest it's balls. I would rather see a soldier finish an 8 mile tab or run in his/her own time than have him/her get in the jack wagon because he/she can't keep up. The whole jack wagon is so anti-team. And the satisfaction in finishing regardless of how long it took is a boost to the individual.

I also hate the smug PTI who to be honest has little else to do all day than keep fit, trying to encourage you, they would be better off just staying silent and staying smug and let me crack on in my own personal hell.

:D
I totally agree. Not only is it a case of self satisfaction in finishing a run/tab, but you get nothing out of being beasted at someone else's pace, especially if you end up in the jack wagon!!
 
#14
natotattie said:
So when you and the rest of the section have reached your objective, fat lad / lass turns up 7 hours later. Fantastic idea you hat cnut.
Since the 'objective' at the end of a PT lesson is usually the gym, who cares when they finish, you thick para c*nt?
 
#15
natotattie said:
So when you and the rest of the section have reached your objective, fat lad / lass turns up 7 hours later. Fantastic idea you hat cnut.
Prick.
 
#16
Bow_Man said:
Whilst per se I am not the best to comment on this test (as it is now), in fairness we shouldn't really be failing this test. However I have never understood the "Well if you don't pass you're not doing sport" argument.


:D
I see your point Bow but in some units i have been with the sportsman would get fit for the athletics season say, then when the season is finished go straight on the sick for a lame reason.

Which is obv shit for the rest of the lad/lasses that muck in all year long. :p
 
#17
Well f@#k me backwards, 'Train in' not 'select out' seems to be gaining support from a few in the Corps. Last year I advocated a greater emphasis on trg those that fail tests (regardless of whether it was PT, ranges or whatever) in order that they can pass the tests. As opposed to the '**** 'em they are shit/lazy/crap' sort of attitude. Guess what every person said I was pandering to the weak.
I simply countered that you work with what you have and if soldiers cannot pass any IMI any test then it is a failure not only on them but the entire CoC - Their det comd, their Tp Sgt and/or SSgt, Tp Comd, SSM, YofS (Leave FofS out 'cause they are beyond Train in or select out!) OC, RSM CO etc etc.
Rank and experience should reduce the need for extra trg and eliminate the requirement for enforced extra trg but not always. Is any one in the Corps so perfect that they have no short falls that would not benefit them/the Corps/ the Army? To claim that you have no skills short falls is arrogance beyond belief.
To all those that are supporting a more 'Train in' not 'select out' ethos – Cheers, you have gone some way to restoring my faith that the Corps is not heading the wrong direction completely.
 
#18
PoisonDwarf said:
natotattie said:
So when you and the rest of the section have reached your objective, fat lad / lass turns up 7 hours later. Fantastic idea you hat cnut.
Prick.
Totally agree woth poison on this and hueyrat

If you are training it doesn't matter how long you take as long as you keep improving bring the guy up with the team, section or troop and he'll improve alienate him send him to the overcrowded cardio room where he can't get on a machine cos of the p7's who are already there or making him/her train on their own they will become demotivated.

And the sport thing also rings true. I get bored in the gym i have always kept fit through sport, when i got injured i got banned from playing sport in the end not by the MO but by my chain off command, when they finally found the cause of the injury (2 years later) I got a letter from the rehab centre to say i must be allowed to play sport put in my med docs.

Also know of a case where a corps prop nearly got banned from playing for his regiment because he couldn't pass his bpfa (he could tab like a machine) the CO had to rewrite regimental policy the morning of an army cup game to say it was allowed as long as the individual was medically fit and attempting to get physically fit through remedial training.
 
#19
BPFA = MINIMUM Standard

If the cap fits ladies and gentlemen, wear it.



That said, if one fails it, one should enter a period of remedial PT. I see no reason if your sport does not involve running, sit-ups or press ups (like darts, for instance), why you shouldn't do representative sport at the same time. What we need is more stigma about failing, so that people are less inclined to do so...
 
#20
BPFA is not even a test of fitness. Soldiers, if thats what you wanna call us, should be able to do a BPFA (B = BASIC) at the drop of a hat. Its the 'biffs' that drink loads of booze, eat $hite and do nothing about their sorry states that grip my *hit.
 

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