Leading cleric rails at injustice of Muslim bashing

#1
Whilst i have to agree that their seems to be a general (althpugh not specific) trend of tarring them all with the same brush, this just fuels the flames even further! :roll:

The most senior Islamic cleric in Birmingham claimed yesterday that Muslims were being unjustly blamed in the war on terrorism and that the eight suspects in the two bombing attacks on London "could have been innocent passengers".

Mohammad Naseem, the chairman of the city's central mosque, called Tony Blair a "liar" and "unreliable witness" and questioned whether CCTV footage issued of the suspected bombers was of the perpetrators.

He said that Muslims "all over the world have never heard of an organisation called al-Qa'eda".


Mr Naseem, who was speaking after police seized Yasin Hassan Omar in Birmingham, delivered his unprompted outburst when he was invited to a press conference with West Midlands police and Birmingham city council to help calm fears of racial or religious tension after the arrest.

It was held near the police cordon in Heybarnes Road, where Omar was arrested.

His comments shocked senior police officers.

Sources said that attempts to encourage Muslims to pass them information on the bombers' activities would be hindered. One said: "We are trying to gain the trust of the Muslim community and these kinds of comments have the opposite effect. All they do is encourage communities to close ranks against us."...
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#3
Why is it that Muslems and Islam as a whole are completely incapable of critisising their own religion? Everything is someone elses fault and 'not fair' for them. Islam used to be a progressive and forwards looking religion, but for reasons someone else can proberbly tell me about it has become scared of itself and even more scared of the rest of the world.
 
#4
Agent_Smith said:
He said that Muslims "all over the world have never heard of an organisation called al-Qa'eda"
That'll be all the females ones who can't read due to it being "non-Muslim" to teach women plus all the rest of them that are living in the 1500s then??
 
#5
Although I think he is talking out of his backside, even if the suspects were inocent passengers, why have they not come forward to clear themselves, even if they were arrested and found to be innocent a release would follow(!)

I do not think that this being so high profile and with the police being under such scrutiny especially after last weeks shooting that they would release info on the suspects unless they were relatively certain that they were the guilty party. The arrest in Birmingham and the reported circumstances appear to have justified this.

The objective point should not be missed that this is not an attack on Muslims, it is rather that the bombers and suspects are murderers who happen to be Muslim.
 
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#6
He said that Muslims "all over the world have never heard of an organisation called al-Qa'eda".
Is that so?
Then who was is that claimed responsibility for September 11th, the London bombings, and the vast majority of suicide bombings around the world? :roll:
 
#7
Steven wrote,

That'll be all the females ones who can't read due to it being "non-Muslim" to teach women plus all the rest of them that are living in the 1500s then??
Quite!

Two weeks ago I said I don't tar all Muslims with the same brush. Now my /Muslim tarring brush isn't wide enough and my evil/contrary/illogical/unreasonable/not decent/not law abiding pot of tar is empty.

I´m off to B&Q. Blair hasn´t woken up or he or his ministers would be taking these poisonous bastards on-head on, if only verbally.

`Peace in our time` eh Tony?
 
#8
There is a real issue here.

There are some in the Islamic community who seem to think that these attacks are designed to undermine opinion against Muslims and are an evil Jewish/CIA/mickey mouse plot.

It is very worrying that a supposed "intelligent" religous leader has these barking views. If their leaders think this ^*% then we are in for trouble.
 
#9
Speedy said:
Why is it that Muslems and Islam as a whole are completely incapable of critisising their own religion? Everything is someone elses fault and 'not fair' for them. Islam used to be a progressive and forwards looking religion, but for reasons someone else can proberbly tell me about it has become scared of itself and even more scared of the rest of the world.
And who encouraged them to think this way?


Nice one multiculturalism
 
#10
Did you see the programe (1of3) The new Al Qaeda, Monday 2100hrs
If you wernt against these people you are after watching this.
Muslim clerics openly shouting for more beheadings, muslim buisneses over here letting Al Qaeda films showing our lads getting bombed by suicide bombers and beheadings on there web sites.
There is another two programes to air. See what you think
 
#11
The objective point should not be missed that this is not an attack on Muslims, it is rather that the bombers and suspects are murderers who happen to be Muslim.
This is almost one and the same in Islam.
 
#12
Why are we still dicking around with muslims ? this is a senior muslim cleric that is saying "up yours infidel we don't give a stuff and we're not taking any notice of you"

As far is I'm concerned every muslim is now a terrorist or terrorist supporter, there is not one single muslim I would trust anywhere.
 
#13
armourer said:
As far is I'm concerned every muslim is now a terrorist or terrorist supporter, there is not one single muslim I would trust anywhere.
Right, so you have only come to do this conclusion now?
You kill me Armourer, you seriously do. :lol:
 
#14
castlereagh said:
You kill me Armourer, you seriously do. :lol:
I'm trying, believe me I'm trying :lol:
 
#15
any religion that has the prospect of more than one wife and no booze has got to be sus
 
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#16
There is a Mosque just round the corner from where I live, it’s been there for about 25 years.
According to the leaders of that Mosque, for the last 5 years they have known that Islamic fundamentalists from neighbouring towns have been waiting outside the Mosque and speaking to the youth of their congregation about jihad.
Up until the London bombings, these leaders of this Mosque have done nothing about it, only now are they starting to tell the local police.

I don’t agree with armourer that every Muslim is now a terrorist or terrorist supporter, but the Muslims who do nothing to tackle the problem, or who don’t act until it’s too late, are part of the problem.
 
#17
This couldn't possibly be the same Dr. Mohammed Naseem that stood as the RESPECT candidate in Perry Barr in 2005 could it?

I mean, it couldn't possibly be the same candidate who is the "leader" of Birmingham's Muslims , but was soundly thrashed by other parties , in an area with a strong islamic vote?

"Dr". Naseem , your influence on the thoughts of Islamics hereabouts, has been known as a joke for some time, but still you persist in insisting you are the one to deal with. In fact the rest of us think you are a joke too , when you stood there sputtering and offering excuses when Central News West stuck a camera in your face asking you why the Mosque allowed people to sell inflamatory videos and literature at the car boot sales there.

Stand down Dr. Naseem, you have been a part of the problem for a long time.

Unfortunately, I think your successor would be even less trustworthy.
 
#18
DEEFER said:
any religion that has the prospect of more than one wife and no booze has got to be sus
...pect?

It's rather fortunate for some of the more radical elements that there is no law against sedition in this country. A shame really, since it allows them to preach some pretty poisonous stuff as and when they like. That said, with the proposed laws against religious hatred being suggested, you have to wonder if these couldn't be (ab)used to get rid of the more extreme mullahs. After all, they're preaching violence based on religion and there aren't many more concrete examples of hatred than that.

The problem for Islam in Britain is this: As long as the terrorists are using it (perverted or not, it doesn't matter) to justify their murders, Islam in general will be suspect. SIS and the police can arrest suspects, block funding, confiscate explosives and prosecute a physical side of this matter, but it is the Islamic community in general - and the organised structures in particular - that must get their act together and deny the extremists the ideological grounds. Not merely that, but they must be seen to do so in order to deny groups like the BNP their ammunition.
 
#19
I heard or read a reference to how the current problem for the Muslim communities of Britain is comparable to the problem posed for British whites by the far-right racists from the 1960s until the late 1990s.

I agree with Goku in that the various British Muslim communities simply must work hard to now marginalise the violent jihadist elements, as whites - IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE AUTHORITIES AND OTHER COMMUNITIES - so successfully did with the NF, C18 et al.
 

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