LE Commission

#1
Anyone been through the LE commission process recently, namely those below the rank of WO2?
Any advice on the process would be received gratefully...
 

Baz44

War Hero
#2
Book yourself on LEOC(V) at RMAS as soon as you can - its a great course and fills in all the parts no one tells you about!!

Go for it - best move I made better if you can brace the whole Officership thing and be prepared to change your old ways. Its Lead by Example, Command as you would wish to be commanded and take on the Resonsibility of looking ater your men before yourself and of course being an Officer!

Be prepared for DE's to treat you like the new boy in town - but you will soon prove yourself.

To kick off chat to your CO he has to endorse it, then put your letter in paperwork will follow and then await your board. If you get to a Commissioning board remember they are there to verify your CO's decsion if he agrees to putting you forward - so be confident but think about what it means to be an officer - seriously!! Be up to date with current military and civil affairs (FAS/ FIS etc and have a view point be prepared to back it up with facts)

Good luck

Cheers
 
#3
Ok, cheers for that. It has been suggested that I sit TAPO Module 2 & 3 prior to board, because I am below the rank of WO2 (S/Sgt now). This apparently is to do with the changes in LE Commission from April on.
Anyone else heard/been asked to do this?
While I can see a logic to doing this for 'officer mindset/skills' I have never heard of someone with 15 years plus experience being asked to do so.
Any opinions?
(Braces for impact!!)
 
#4
Personally I would ask for an interview with your Bde MS Rep via your Adjt / OC.

IIRC, there are differences in the requirements for LEs commissioned from the rank of S/Sgt as opposed to WO2. I think it would be worth having a chat with someone who really knows the score.

msr
 
#5
mcvicar said:
It has been suggested that I sit TAPO Module 2 & 3 prior to board, because I am below the rank of WO2 (S/Sgt now).

While I can see a logic to doing this for 'officer mindset/skills' I have never heard of someone with 15 years plus experience being asked to do so.
Never heard that before but I suppose it would help with the 7 questions (I can't do it, I just naturally go for the solution (via experience), I've seen many other SNCO's do the same).

It seems your being asked to do DE stuff to become a LE. As far as I'm aware your going to have to study a lot more because of the changes, you'll have all the captains exams to also study under the new system (I could be well wrong on this), plus you've also got to do your knife and forks exam at Sandhurst. I need to attempt to get a LE myself (need a focus) but have to wait for a crown in my corps, although I could through my normal job probably go for a PQO (and so I understand the lack of advice you face - thanks to all sent on here)

Msr, what is a MS Rep?
 
#6
Good question - in fact, exactly the question I asked of some Major on my Tp Comd course after he had been rabbiting on for about 5 minutes and no-one to my right or left had a clue either:

Military Secretariat: http://www.army.mod.uk/servingsoldier/career/mcmdivs/msa/index.html

Those (allegedly) responsible for Officer Careers. Every Bde should have one.

msr
 
M

Mr_Logic

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#7
Surely you should be just reading TA Regs and then speaking to your Adjt, via your OC? It would be a bit bizarre to go straight to the SO2 G1 MS. After all, I would have thought his first question would be to ask if you had spoken to your Adjt.

If I was an SO2 at Bde and a SNCO came to see me out of the blue with a question that can be answered at unit level, having not spoken to his own RHQ, I would be calling the Adjt for an explanation.
 
#8
Baz44 said:
Book yourself on LEOC(V) at RMAS as soon as you can - its a great course and fills in all the parts no one tells you about!!

Bit premature there Baz, he must first get through!

If you get to a Commissioning board remember they are there to verify your CO's decsion if he agrees to putting you forward - so be confident

Not so, not anymore anyway. The new LE commissioning process is there to make sure that only the 'right calibre' former soldiers grace the Officers mess. The days of WO's (and others) merely going through the process are finished.

In the 'good old days', you were merely interviewed by a board, normally comprising 3 CO's. Provided that you weren't a complete cock, then yes, they endorsed your CO's recommendation. Nowadays, you have to sit tests in literacy and numeracy, in addition to being aware of matters current.
 
#11
And to DFTR - who must have got through under the old system ;)

msr
 
#12
mcvicar said:
While I can see a logic to doing this for 'officer mindset/skills' I have never heard of someone with 15 years plus experience being asked to do so.
Any opinions?
(Braces for impact!!)
Mc, but 15 years experience in what? For all they know you could have been emptying portaloos.

The game has changed immensely and the CoC has to be sure that it selects the right people. FFS, you could be 'THE MAN', in an incident, on Ops!!! Guys are going to be looking to you for direction. Worse still, solicitors will be looking at you with litigation in mind. The fact that you're in command because "You have 15 years prior service" will count for.........go on, I'll let you guess.
 
#13
msr said:
And to DFTR - who must have got through under the old system ;)

msr
Quite right MSR but I have had the decency to attend all courses relevant to any appointments held and also ensured that I was course qualified for promotion, as I did as a soldier.
 
#14
Dont_Fear_The_Reaper said:
For all they know you could have been emptying portaloos.
FFS and your just out of nappies. This DE/LE thing does not belong on a TA forum, our system works (although I admit to having this conversation last month)
 
#15
polar said:
Dont_Fear_The_Reaper said:
Nowadays, you have to sit tests in literacy and numeracy, in addition to being aware of matters current.
please expand more on that, thats new to me
Polar, don't know exactly what's expected, or even if it differs by Bde etc (wouldn't be a shock if it did would it?) but there are guys from my unit going for LECB and have actually attended mock boards leading up to it.

I will endeavour to find out more and let you know, unless someone else can shed some light.
 
#16
polar said:
Dont_Fear_The_Reaper said:
For all they know you could have been emptying portaloos.
FFS and your just out of nappies. This DE/LE thing does not belong on a TA forum, our system works (although I admit to having this conversation last month)
Polar please expand!
 
#17
Dont_Fear_The_Reaper said:
polar said:
Dont_Fear_The_Reaper said:
For all they know you could have been emptying portaloos.
FFS and your just out of nappies. This DE/LE thing does not belong on a TA forum, our system works (although I admit to having this conversation last month)
Never heard that before but I suppose it would help with the 7 questions (I can't do it, I just naturally go for the solution (via experience), I've seen many other SNCO's do the same).[/quote]

Yes, this is normally where it falls on its arse!! Your experience being....well your experience and the 7 questions being......well logic that allows us to explore what's going on, what we need to do to effect it etc etc

[/quote]It seems your being asked to do DE stuff to become a LE[/quote]

Yeah, its called equality!.

[/quote] As far as I'm aware your going to have to study a lot more because of the changes, you'll have all the captains exams to also study under the new system (I could be well wrong on this)[/quote]

No sh1t Sherlock,

[/quote] I need to attempt to get a LE myself (need a focus) [/quote]

hopefully a Ford Focus

Polar, I had afforded you the opportunity to expand on your ASSumption that I was just out of nappies. Where you got that from I don't know.
 
#18
Polar, don't know exactly what's expected, or even if it differs by Bde etc (wouldn't be a shock if it did would it?) but there are guys from my unit going for LECB and have actually attended mock boards leading up to it.

I will endeavour to find out more and let you know, unless someone else can shed some light.


Okay, I was not aware that the system had changed that much. All the info I had looked at seemed to say just a board and LEOC. Any informatin you can find would be gratefully received.

Ref the Portaloo bit my last postings have been Troop Sergeant, Troop Leader and Recruit Troop Leader, all at the same location as my RHQ so they know me pretty well.

While I am happy to go through the system and do the bits for the course I was really enquiring whether anyone had been given a similar answer from their application.

Is this now the policy for LEs or is this my unit making their own policy?

May be useful for anyone else looking at a similar career choice to have a steer on this...
 
#19
mcvicar said:
Polar, don't know exactly what's expected, or even if it differs by Bde etc (wouldn't be a shock if it did would it?) but there are guys from my unit going for LECB and have actually attended mock boards leading up to it.

I will endeavour to find out more and let you know, unless someone else can shed some light.


Okay, I was not aware that the system had changed that much. All the info I had looked at seemed to say just a board and LEOC. Any informatin you can find would be gratefully received.

Ref the Portaloo bit my last postings have been Troop Sergeant, Troop Leader and Recruit Troop Leader, all at the same location as my RHQ so they know me pretty well.

While I am happy to go through the system and do the bits for the course I was really enquiring whether anyone had been given a similar answer from their application.

Is this now the policy for LEs or is this my unit making their own policy?

May be useful for anyone else looking at a similar career choice to have a steer on this...
Mc, don't get hung up on the portaloo thing, I merely meant that they don't know you from a lump of cheese, I wasn't throwing stones at your professionalism or Regtl standing.

It is obvious that your unit are not doing their own thing, but conforming to a 'norm'.

Look, at the end of the day, if you are what they are looking for, you will get through. If you're not, you're no less the soldier you were when you applied, you're just not what they want. It doesn't mean that you're de-valued in any way, shape or form
 
#20
Mc, don't get hung up on the portaloo thing, I merely meant that they don't know you from a lump of cheese, I wasn't throwing stones at your professionalism or Regtl standing.

It is obvious that your unit are not doing their own thing, but conforming to a 'norm'.

Look, at the end of the day, if you are what they are looking for, you will get through. If you're not, you're no less the soldier you were when you applied, you're just not what they want. It doesn't mean that you're de-valued in any way, shape or form[/quote]

Not worried about the portaloos, feels like it could be an option some days mind!!

How are they obviously conforming to the norm?

Not particularly worried about the devalued thing, if I was that lacking in self confidence as a SNCO I shouldn't really be applying anyway!!
 

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