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No sorry it's not.

It depends on two things:

1. Accepting there's a margin of error

2. Being REALLY good at getting a truly random sample.

If you're happy to accept 95% confidence level, for example, your sample size (for a population over about 100,00 (IIRC)) need only be 385.
So if it's 385 from a population of 100,000 that extrapolates to a tad over 250,000 for the current (admitted to) population.

Ain't no bugger going to spend the time & effort polling that many, so it's back to being a guesstimate.
 
Their best of late is the BBC insinuating that the Windrush generation was 'those that built Britain' This was mentioned a few times on phone-ins and the program commentator; I almost started to think that it was the Windrush folk that had stormed the Normandy beaches, and not Brits and our allies.
It's been covered on the radio a lot but it was more about them being invited to help rebuild Britain and how many of the early Windrush generation migrants from the Caribbean were returning to Britain having volunteered to serve during the war in spite of having a one in five chance of being torpedoed en route. They may not have stormed the beaches at Normandy but many of them kept Bomber Command in the air and the convoys sailing.
 
So if it's 385 from a population of 100,000 that extrapolates to a tad over 250,000 for the current (admitted to) population.

Ain't no bugger going to spend the time & effort polling that many, so it's back to being a guesstimate.
Not quite, the figure was for a population over 100,000. The sample bobmentioned would give you 95% accuracy.
 
No sorry it's not.

It depends on two things:

1. Accepting there's a margin of error

2. Being REALLY good at getting a truly random sample.

If you're happy to accept 95% confidence level, for example, your sample size (for a population over about 100,00 (IIRC)) need only be 385.
Sorry, Bob, but to my cynical eyes those two observations support my view. A sampling size of slightly over 1000 people from a population of ca 70m cannot be viewed with any accuracy.
 
. . . which, like the vast majority of polls, tells us one thing and one thing only: the intentions or perceptions of those polled.

To extrapolate a National view from such a miniscule data set is risible.
Indeed it is. A similar situation with a Fox hunting poll in 2014. Mori polled adults in great Britain: "should the hunting ban be made legal again?"
No - it should not be made legal again = 80%
Yes - it should be made legal again = 17%
Don’t know = 3%

The anti's took this figure and ran with it, trumpeting as the view of the entire UK population.And citing the figure a conclusive proof of their point of view.
The poll was from a sample of 1,971 people.
 

ancienturion

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Book Reviewer
No sorry it's not.

It depends on two things:

1. Accepting there's a margin of error

2. Being REALLY good at getting a truly random sample.

If you're happy to accept 95% confidence level, for example, your sample size (for a population over about 100,00 (IIRC)) need only be 385.
I know not who said it but I do remember:
there are lies,
there are damned lies,
and then there are statistics.
 
there are lies,
there are damned lies,
and then there are statistics.
The term was popularised in United States by Mark Twain (among others), who attributed it to the British Prime Minister Benjamin Disraeli: "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." However, the phrase is not found in any of Disraeli's works and the earliest known appearances were years after his death. Several other people have been listed as originators of the quote, and it is often erroneously attributed to Twain himself.[1]
Wikipedia.
 
No sorry it's not.

It depends on two things:

1. Accepting there's a margin of error

2. Being REALLY good at getting a truly random sample.

If you're happy to accept 95% confidence level, for example, your sample size (for a population over about 100,00 (IIRC)) need only be 385.
Have you got a source for that? I am interested in how the statistics work - is there a nice formula for sample size and confidence level? My understanding of Statistics is a bit sketchy.

It's been covered on the radio a lot but it was more about them being invited to help rebuild Britain and how many of the early Windrush generation migrants from the Caribbean were returning to Britain having volunteered to serve during the war in spite of having a one in five chance of being torpedoed en route. They may not have stormed the beaches at Normandy but many of them kept Bomber Command in the air and the convoys sailing.
We had Caribbean troops in both World Wars.
 

Auld-Yin

ADC
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The term was popularised in United States by Mark Twain (among others), who attributed it to the British Prime Minister Benjamin Disraeli: "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." However, the phrase is not found in any of Disraeli's works and the earliest known appearances were years after his death. Several other people have been listed as originators of the quote, and it is often erroneously attributed to Twain himself.[1]
Wikipedia.
Does that count as a lie, a damned lie or a statistic?
 
Have you got a source for that? I am interested in how the statistics work - is there a nice formula for sample size and confidence level? My understanding of Statistics is a bit sketchy.
The YouGov site tries to explain it.
In the small print of opinion polls you'll often find a ‘margin of error’ quoted, normally of plus or minus 3%. This means that 19 times out of 20, the figures in the opinion poll will be within 3% of the ‘true’ answer you'd get if you interviewed the entire population.
YouGov | Understanding margin of error
 

ancienturion

LE
Book Reviewer
Look, don't worry about the statistics whatever way they swing. As a snowflake you can have a major meltdown whenever you feel that things aren't going your way, Violet Elizabeth style.
Yes, but she was "thick", or going to be.
 
Calls to axe 'racist' Zulu film from Folkestone's Silver Screen Cinema listings
Calls to axe 'racist' Zulu film from cinema

Campaigners are calling for a charity showing of epic war film Zulu to be axed over claims it contains “racist overtones.”
The 1964 classic will be aired at Folkestone’s Silver Screen Cinema on Saturday to raise aid for armed forces charity SSAFA.
But in an open letter to Folkestone Mayor and district councillor Ann Berry some 28 people came out in protest this month.
“(But) we believe that the choice of the film Zulu, with its inaccurate portrayal of historical events and its distortions and racist overtones, could have a negative effect on relationships within the changing and richly diverse communities here in Folkestone.”


Martini-Henrys will be issued plus 100 rounds per man.
Load, aim, fire.
 
Calls to axe 'racist' Zulu film from Folkestone's Silver Screen Cinema listings
Calls to axe 'racist' Zulu film from cinema

Campaigners are calling for a charity showing of epic war film Zulu to be axed over claims it contains “racist overtones.”
The 1964 classic will be aired at Folkestone’s Silver Screen Cinema on Saturday to raise aid for armed forces charity SSAFA.
But in an open letter to Folkestone Mayor and district councillor Ann Berry some 28 people came out in protest this month.
“(But) we believe that the choice of the film Zulu, with its inaccurate portrayal of historical events and its distortions and racist overtones, could have a negative effect on relationships within the changing and richly diverse communities here in Folkestone.”


Martini-Henrys will be issued plus 100 rounds per man.
Load, aim, fire.
"Snowflakes, fahsands of 'em!"
 

ancienturion

LE
Book Reviewer
Calls to axe 'racist' Zulu film from Folkestone's Silver Screen Cinema listings
Calls to axe 'racist' Zulu film from cinema

Campaigners are calling for a charity showing of epic war film Zulu to be axed over claims it contains “racist overtones.”
The 1964 classic will be aired at Folkestone’s Silver Screen Cinema on Saturday to raise aid for armed forces charity SSAFA.
But in an open letter to Folkestone Mayor and district councillor Ann Berry some 28 people came out in protest this month.
“(But) we believe that the choice of the film Zulu, with its inaccurate portrayal of historical events and its distortions and racist overtones, could have a negative effect on relationships within the changing and richly diverse communities here in Folkestone.”


Martini-Henrys will be issued plus 100 rounds per man.
Load, aim, fire.
The campaigners, all twenty eight of them I believe, merely wish to be able to avoid such festivities otherwise they might be involved in donating funds to SSAFA or even something else to do with HM Armed Forces.
 
Calls to axe 'racist' Zulu film from Folkestone's Silver Screen Cinema listings
Calls to axe 'racist' Zulu film from cinema

Campaigners are calling for a charity showing of epic war film Zulu to be axed over claims it contains “racist overtones.”
The 1964 classic will be aired at Folkestone’s Silver Screen Cinema on Saturday to raise aid for armed forces charity SSAFA.
But in an open letter to Folkestone Mayor and district councillor Ann Berry some 28 people came out in protest this month.
“(But) we believe that the choice of the film Zulu, with its inaccurate portrayal of historical events and its distortions and racist overtones, could have a negative effect on relationships within the changing and richly diverse communities here in Folkestone.”


Martini-Henrys will be issued plus 100 rounds per man.
Load, aim, fire.
"And a bayonet sir, with some guts behind it"
 
Calls to axe 'racist' Zulu film from Folkestone's Silver Screen Cinema listings
Calls to axe 'racist' Zulu film from cinema

Campaigners are calling for a charity showing of epic war film Zulu to be axed over claims it contains “racist overtones.”
The 1964 classic will be aired at Folkestone’s Silver Screen Cinema on Saturday to raise aid for armed forces charity SSAFA.
But in an open letter to Folkestone Mayor and district councillor Ann Berry some 28 people came out in protest this month.
“(But) we believe that the choice of the film Zulu, with its inaccurate portrayal of historical events and its distortions and racist overtones, could have a negative effect on relationships within the changing and richly diverse communities here in Folkestone.”


Martini-Henrys will be issued plus 100 rounds per man.
Load, aim, fire.
I can only presume among other films they are readying themselves to campaign against is The Ten Commandments. Racist? Yes, it tells us the Egyptians were mean and nasty and kept Jewish slaves to build the pyramids, all now firmly debunked of course although Red Ken might want to steer clear of that whole nest of Vipers. Then there was the drowning of the nasties which we were all to cheer and clap about, how nasty is that. Ban it I say and ban it now.

There must be an equivalent sort of Muslim film too about Mohammed putting others to the sword, perhaps that will be ok though. We will see, or maybe we won't....
 

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