Last surviving Union Jack from Trafalgar to be auctioned

Discussion in 'Current Affairs, News and Analysis' started by Khyros, Oct 10, 2009.

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  1. Well the French and Spanish fleet had been decimated by disease, their gunnery skills were nil, and a lot of the senior officers had been re-educated by Napoleon.
  2. There are a few of us on here and Rum Ration looking into raising the cash, for it to presented to the RN Museam / HMS Victory.

    For it to be kept for the Country.

    Ongoing thread linky

  3. Isn't there a Union Jack from the Battle below decks of HMS Victory in a large glass case?!

    It's been a lot time since I was there but I seem to remember a flag from the battle preserved under glass...
  4. I meant what happened since then? We seem powereless to deal with badly trained pirates nowadays/
  5. Also to bear in mind, the British fleet were short on supplies. A Sqn of 6 or 7 ships were dispatched to obtain supplies but did not return in time for the battle.

    There were, IIRC, 4 (maybe more) ships in the Franco-Spanish fleets that had about 20 guns more than the most gunned up British ship.

    The Spanish should really have learnt from their Armada debacle.... "Don't take on the British Navy" :D
  6. They invented the I-pod
  7. hermand

    I assume that you're unaware that we seem to be achieving sucess against the pirates - see this other thread?

    three months there’s been just one successful pirate attack in the Gulf of Aden. The same time last year, there were 17. Piracy off the Somali coast is apparently on the decline, big-time.

    Commodore Steve Chick, the senior officer for the five-ship NATO counter-piracy task force, has a theory. He says the decline is a combination of three factors. First off, “merchant ships are taking better self-protection measures.” Chick recalls flying in his Lynx helicopter along the security lane through which vessels are encouraged to sail. Looking down, he saw ships with fire hoses at the ready and barbed-wire on their rails.

    Also, the “military are doing better,” Chick adds. In Somali waters there are 20 warships belonging to three international flotillas — NATO’s, the E.U.’s and the American-led Combined Task Force 151 — plus another 20 ships from Russia, China, India, Japan, South Korea and Iran. All the forces, expect Iran, send reps to a monthly meeting in Bahrain to dole out patrol areas. The three flotillas take turns as chair of the assembled fleet, with veto power during any dispute over who sails where. So far, Chick says, there haven’t been any arguments. Officers on USS Donald Cook, part of the NATO force, describe sitting in the destroyer’s Combat Information Center listening to sailors from a dozen nations checking in.

    Finally, something is giving in Somalia. Piracy has its roots in lawlessness on land. Where law takes hold, pirates can’t. The governments of three Somali nations — the Republic of Somalia, Puntland and Somaliland — have all stood up new naval forces, with help from the U.S., NATO and the U.N. While these forces have few boats, they don’t necessarily need them, Chick says. Rather, they should focus on beachfront security. As governments crack down, “piracy is becoming less socially acceptable” in Somalia, Chick says.
  8. £26

    Oh sorry - I thought we were doing it on here.