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IRA METHOD FOR DEFRAUDING SOCIAL SECURITY BENEFITS

1976 Broadstairs Kent DHSS

(1) An anonymous letter arrived bubbling up a Thanet address claiming the single mother claimant, with three kids, was not living at the address but had a live claim running.

(2) A DHSS civil servant (who was not a fraud officer) was asked to look into this. He was an ex Para who had previously been a civilian employee of Scotland Yard mainly concerned with fraud.

(3) The ex Para conducted inquiries and to do so he used a car registered in my name and address. Perhaps a Kent Special constable made a registered keeper check on that car ? And hence identified himself ?

(4) The ex Para got a Wimbledon address as where the Tanet single mother claimant was really living. And she had a live claim running on that address too.

(5) The means tested benefits system had no central record of claims. To detect multiple address claiming the system relied on the National Insurance (contributory benefits) central records office at Newcastle.

(6) When a single mother made a claim she would be interviewed by the “Liable Relatives Section “ at the local DHSS office to arrange for the absent father to contribute towards the upkeep of his children. The Liable Relatibes Section would raise a flag against the absent father’s National Insurance Record at Newcastle. If the single mother made a second concurrent claim from another address then another flag would be raised against the absent father’s NI record at Newcastle ?

(7) Say the absent father was not named or had never had a National Insurance number then no flag could be raised ? And the system had no means to detect multiple claiming in such cases.

(8) The only way the ex Para could run a check was that DHSS across England went on to simultaneous overtime and every live claim in the country was checked. And it emerged that this single mum claimant had 48 addresses each with a live claim in payment. (In modern day terms a take of around half a million per year)

(9) The Wimbledon fraud claim address was already subject of a trawl for information at Scotland Yard as a suspect IRA active unit safe house.

(10) The single mum original and only legal claim was Thanet at the Broadstairs office. Hence the reasonable suspicion that was where IRA recruited her.

(11) In 1987 (11 years later) DI George Rogers arrested 21 members of 14 Platoon HSF V Queens V TAVR Broadstairs. One of these arrested men told police that he had been approached by three single mother benefits claimants asking if he would help extricate them from a fraud on benefits they had been caught up in.
(12) In 1987 I was in the unit in which the arrests occurred and also working in my trade for Petbow backup generators. But I looked up a DHSS person I knew. So was able to tell DI Rogers that the frauds the three single mums might be caught up in is consistent with the known MO of the IRA in this area which has previously included an active unit IRA address. Also that there were three claims at Manston tagged as suspect IRA which were not single mum claims.

(13) Thus making SIX lines of IRA related benefits liaison inquiries for DI Rogers to institute?

(14) Whether DHSS deemed that this lucrative fraud was unlikely to be prevalent I do not know. But they did not appear quick off the mark in the 70s to close down this source of terrorist funding and operation by instituting systemic detection of such frauds by changes to the benefits admin system.

(15) This is important when publishing on a public forum. IF there was a public interest in DHSS failing to close the loophole it would have been to use the fraud as a means to detect active units ?

(16) As far as I am concerned a proof of the pudding arose as a result of the arrests of 21 paramilitaries within TA. Kent Police failed to pursue the six lines of benefits liaison inquiry.

(17) Which meant that some years later when DHSS started to try to develop computerized anti fraud measures Kent Police attached no significance to the alleged job change of an associate of one of the arrested TA paramilitaries. Did he leave a career in teaching to work on the DHSS computer developments ?

(18) The man I am thinking of did an OU degree course in the early 80s with his friend the senior shop steward of a backup generator manufacturer and another associate of the arrested TA paramilitary. I reckon one of the OU exercises in applied maths was to calculate transient loading of an AC alternator. (Generator).

(19) In 88 yet another associate of the same arrested TA paramilitary got work for Reliance Security at Deal Barracks allegedly using a false REME Record to clear Reliance vetting.

(20) I got in touch with Kent Police. To give a breach of security warning with 26 lines of inquiry (six of which are the DHSS related ones above). One of which was an associate alleged saboteur (consistent with Stage 3 OIRA Garland Plan)

(21) If you give no weight to each line of inquiry and apply just flip the coin laws of chance it is significant it is not significant ? Then that would mean unweighted that 13 lines would be of significance.

(22) Was the effing barracks blown up ? If Kent Police had conducted the breach of security warning would the explosion have occurred. The security warning to be valid does not have to identify an eventual perpetrator. That was a valid warning.

Sadly for 11 Royal Marines murdered and then denied justice Kent Police : QED.
 
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stabradop said:
WTF is this geezer posting all this shite for?
One reason as I understand it is that 11 Royal Marines were killed in allegedly avoidable circumstances due to unheeded warnings and two, that KK believes that there has been a cover-up as a result.
Trouble is that KK can't seem to keep it simple, whereas he should keeping the complex stuff back for the legal types.
 
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Adam(KOS) said:
stabradop said:
WTF is this geezer posting all this shite for?
One reason as I understand it is that 11 Royal Marines were killed in allegedly avoidable circumstances due to unheeded warnings and two, that KK believes that there has been a cover-up as a result.
Trouble is that KK can't seem to keep it simple, whereas he should keeping the complex stuff back for the legal types.
KK also has a comprehensive personal filing system :wink:

however, he certainly poses some interesting questions about apparent Kent Police inaction.
 
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stabradop said:
But have you seen KK's other posts as well - makes my bloody swede hurt.
Whilst I agree with you, it appears that Knockknee has raised some pretty serious points. Onc you can get your head around them anyway.
As I interpret it he is suggesting that the death of 11 Royal Marines could and should have ben prevented and that Kent Police have spent more time covering their own backsides than they ever did in the original investigations.
I agree that the post s could be clearer but if this is th eonly place he can get his points out in public then I applaud his efforts
 
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jagman said:
stabradop said:
But have you seen KK's other posts as well - makes my bloody swede hurt.
Whilst I agree with you, it appears that Knockknee has raised some pretty serious points. Onc you can get your head around them anyway.
As I interpret it he is suggesting that the death of 11 Royal Marines could and should have ben prevented and that Kent Police have spent more time covering their own backsides than they ever did in the original investigations.
I agree that the post s could be clearer but if this is th eonly place he can get his points out in public then I applaud his efforts
Agreed.
 

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Must find out what he smokes. What ever it is must be good!!
 
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He has a grief with the police. However whether this is justified or not we'll never know as the man is either a genius or a complete mad man who has gone wibble.
 
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Biscuits_AB said:
stabradop said:
WTF is this geezer posting all this shite for?
He's drunk and has a theory.
He's either always drunk or, as others have also noted, his style is just a bit complex.
In fairness, Biccies, his posts do pose some questions. I've read a lot of his stuff in recent months - undoubtedly it's a long-running personal campaign, but as jagman and AdamKOS have noted there certainly appears to be something amiss in Kent.

If you think his posts are cr@p - just consider some of the other stuff that gets on to ARRSE. :wink:
I'll cut him some slack, and stand alongside jagman for now.
 
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blue-sophist said:
Biscuits_AB said:
stabradop said:
WTF is this geezer posting all this shite for?
He's drunk and has a theory.
He's either always drunk or, as others have also noted, his style is just a bit complex.
In fairness, Biccies, his posts do pose some questions. I've read a lot of his stuff in recent months - undoubtedly it's a long-running personal campaign, but as jagman and AdamKOS have noted there certainly appears to be something amiss in Kent.

If you think his posts are cr@p - just consider some of the other stuff that gets on to ARRSE. :wink:
I'll cut him some slack, and stand alongside jagman for now.
Like those Aicraft Recognition threads and that never ending saga about some Irish Walt that you seem so keen on? Yeah, I know what you mean mate. There's some right sh*te appears on this site, however, if he were to introduce his problem by way of explaining why he feels the need to share it with us, before rattling off the sort of thing which he has been posting here for the past while, we may actualy understand why he feels it to be relevant.
 
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@ Bikkies .... and there you highlight the basic problem with KK's posts :wink:
WTF is it all about? It takes ages to discover what he's getting at.

At least Aircraft Spotting is simple if you have the talent!
I will however stand in the corner over the long Shortt saga! :lol:

I trust you're well?
 
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To be perfectly honest, the post are difficult to follow. However, if I put myself in the shoes of KK who appears to have had a personal involvement in the Deal Barracks bombing then I might be intently focussed on the facts rather than getting my point across too.
For that reason I err on the side of reading carefully and doing my best to digest it.
One thing with Arrse is that you genuinely never know quite who might read the post/thread and it is just possible that KK's post may be read and understood by the right person. If what he has to say is accurate then it deserves to be aired and investigated. If it isn't then it is easily disproved by those in the know. It is not beyond the bounds of possiblity he might be right and he might actually make a difference. That alone makes taking the time to read and interpret his posts worth the while
 
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kk may lack editing skills and his characters seem to fall short of the macho posturing of a Tom Clancy novel but one can see the plot unfolding in the narrative and there is definitely a beginning and a developing thread, if not a climax and resolution as yet..

can't say the same for the Short[t] thread - tale goes all over the map and the lead character has no style or panache. If it was a film, the costume department would be laughed out of the studio for suggesting some of the stuff Jim dresses up in...

After four threads and millions of terabytes of info, I'm thinking only Steve Martin, as Inspector Clouseau, could play Sir Baron Jimbo in any cinematic effort.

kk, my lad.. keep the tale spinning..its just starting to come into focus.. maybe you should be shopping it around to publishers as a fiction thriller, rather than trying to ' expose' the truth.. may get wider play and acceptance and thus open avenues in ways your head butting with authorities can't..[ and you won't have to have absolute court-approved verification of your theory to stir the pot ]..

now, when is the Pavarotti of Waltdom thread returning to this forum?
 
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jagman said:
To be perfectly honest, the post are difficult to follow. However, if I put myself in the shoes of KK who appears to have had a personal involvement in the Deal Barracks bombing then I might be intently focussed on the facts rather than getting my point across too.
For that reason I err on the side of reading carefully and doing my best to digest it.
One thing with Arrse is that you genuinely never know quite who might read the post/thread and it is just possible that KK's post may be read and understood by the right person. If what he has to say is accurate then it deserves to be aired and investigated. If it isn't then it is easily disproved by those in the know. It is not beyond the bounds of possiblity he might be right and he might actually make a difference. That alone makes taking the time to read and interpret his posts worth the while
I believe from what I have read via numerous emails from KK that the main problem is that despite having evidence and witnesses he has to date come up against continual refusal / denial by the authorities to investigate matters thoroughly. Lets suppose the Irish co(u)nt is the link that binds his theories together. Jimbo has deceived so many people, some of who are in very high authority and not just in this country, that a huge house of cards exists which would be a huge embarrassment to all involved. Militarily he's bluffed his way into many supposedly secure establishment SAS, Deal, US Navy Seals etc He has even blagged his way into Westminster!! ( These we know as fact ) that they to would also prefer things to be kept sch-tum. As someone on this thread has said, " perhaps the right 'someone' will read one of his posts / threads and switch the light on.

Where KK has tripped up is by merging the topics as one, hence the confusion ( For all but the very cleverest :D ) { Joke :roll: }
Instead he has not taken the advice given which was just to link where necessary. His own thread was attempted a few days ago but was nipped in the bud without thought by someone.
 

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