Last Night BBC investigation on Health Tourists

#42
The things that came out last night were,these go-betweens weren't doing it for any altruistic reasons,they were doing it for money,there was no suspected fraud,there was however fraud on a massive scale,send them to jail,and then kick them out of the country,**** whatever 'umin rites',they think they have!


Both the go-betweens,and the health tourists knowingly,defrauded the NHS,and the Government,for the cost of treatment received,so the health tourists have commited a crime in this country,so jail them as well,then kick them out of the country.

The case of the Nigerian Woman,who flew in,and had quintuplets,fine the airline shitloads of money,**** her of back to Nigeria,keep the kids,and tell her she can have them back,when her millionaire husband stumps up the dosh.


But most of all,stop being so nice,to these *******,who keep pissing up our backs,and tell us it's raining,to the Female Health Secretary,who kept say "That's why we're having this review",**** the review,change the system safeguards now,make them simple,with the amount of data available on computers now,it's not rocket science,and don't encourage these twats,by changing the law in favour of all and sundry,who just happen to drop in for the odd bit of treatment,FFS.


Maybe with all the money we save,we could keep a few more frontline workers in jobs,eh?
 
#43
Some posters have the erroneous idea that other EU contries do not have a National Health Service which implies that people of no or limited means ary dying on the streets. No so. Here in Hungary where the Health system is cash strapped, the treatment is generally good and timely, with a GP system and referral to specialists. Trained Nurses earn a pittance and a London bus driver earns more than a GP [and I suspect all but the top surgeons] practicing here. Those of working age pay into the NHS [think NI contributions] and is free for pensioners. All pay for prescriptions but again pensioners, children and those out of work pay a lot less. From what I have seen and experienced, treatment is front ended using first class expertise and equipment. I don't give a stuff that I have to take a bog roll, eating irons, cup and decent food with me for a hospitalisation when the treatment is quick, clean good andhopefuly effective. Instead of the NHS crowing about how good it is and others follow its practice, I would suggest that perhaps it could learn a few lessons from other countries.
 
#44
Some posters have the erroneous idea that other EU contries do not have a National Health Service which implies that people of no or limited means ary dying on the streets. No so. Here in Hungary where the Health system is cash strapped, the treatment is generally good and timely, with a GP system and referral to specialists. Trained Nurses earn a pittance and a London bus driver earns more than a GP [and I suspect all but the top surgeons] practicing here. Those of working age pay into the NHS [think NI contributions] and is free for pensioners. All pay for prescriptions but again pensioners, children and those out of work pay a lot less. From what I have seen and experienced, treatment is front ended using first class expertise and equipment. I don't give a stuff that I have to take a bog roll, eating irons, cup and decent food with me for a hospitalisation when the treatment is quick, clean good andhopefuly effective. Instead of the NHS crowing about how good it is and others follow its practice, I would suggest that perhaps it could learn a few lessons from other countries.


Whilst not disagreeing with your post (I don't live in Hungary),it might have helped if you had watched the program last
night,which was about,defrauding the NHS,and abusing the system,as well as claiming the system is flawed.


Most people on here are aware,of the Health Systems throughout the EU,and at no time was the program denegrating,any particular member country,but it's strange that,if you have such a wonderful system in Hungary,that you aren't suffering from the same sort of massive influx,of *********,on the bum for free medical care,that we have in the UK,don't you think ?
 
#45
no nhs number no treatmen other than A&E emergancy treatment.
any children of foriegners go up for adoption if the bill not paid harsh but fair but mostly harsh.
its possibly not worth the effort to bill people who rock up at A&E but past that yes they should be billed.
people caught defruading or colluding with defruading attempts name shame and deport
 
#46
Whet - to clarify my original post had 2 main points:

1. Fraudulent use of the NHS by non entitled people via Non British Origin go-betweens (I believe British ex-pats are wrong to abuse the system too and Spain shouls sort that out)

2. Non adherance to British values, customs and laws of aforesaid Non British origin go-betweens in various rackets such as fake college courses, visas and people trafficking (unlike your Spanish example these go-beetweens were taking advantage of scared diadvantaged people of their own ethnic group as well as thumbing their nose at the generosity of their host nation)

blaise comments about ex-pats in Spain does not address these 2 issues and is the sort of thing that politicians and aplogists do to deflect the subject away from talking about anything involving the behaviour of immigrants, legal or illegal.
I understood the fraud investigator was talking about ex pats coming back to this country and claiming that to which they are not entitled - nothing explicitly whatsoever to do with Spain. The fact is those ex pat fraudsters have been brought up in the ways suggested - honesty, decency, doing the right thing but still act fraudulently,
 
#47
Here in the Caymans there is no free health care even though it is a British Crown Colony. Everyone has to have health insurance of which as a legal minimum the employer pays half. Some firms, mine included, pay the full amount which is CI$600 per month for me. Any really complicated problems and your health insurer ships you out to Maimi if a local hospital cannot treat you. The system works well but then you cannot get a work permit/visa as an expat unless you have a clean bill of health to start with so the general standard of health for at least half the population (only half the people here are Caymanians, the rest expats) is high to start with.
Makes a lot of common sense, but of course that in our wonderfully cloud cuckoo land ruled by a pc establishment with thick rose tinted specs cannot see that. If I go to any overseas country for a holiday or visit I take out Insurance to cover the possibility of having an accident or illness or expect to pay out of my own pocket for any treatment! Why on earth Britain sees fit to treat anyone just turning up & find interpreters as well for free is ludicrous and not what the NHS was set up for! Any non EU visitor should have to produce a valid insurance for ALL treatment, medecine & interpreting fees, prior to getting a visa and produce such insurance if needing treatment! As another poster said any costs incurred by an EU member here should be reimbursed by said country!
I have seen and heard of several instances where this health tourism/fraud has taken place. One was when I had the misfortune to be a patient in a hospital when an elderly Indian gentleman was admitted having suffered a stroke, he had been deposited at the A & E dept by his family who had gone to Heathrow to pick him up off the Flight, he had apparently suffered the Stroke in India prior to his flight. He was only a distant uncle of the family who had brought him in and who only visited him rarely in the several weeks he was there! An interpreter had to be found (and no doubt paid for) every time a Doctor, physiotherapist or other staff visited him and wished to communicate with him!
Another incident I heard of happened to a friends wife who had started working as a receptionist in a doctor's in High Wycombe. She noticed that several Asian Ladies kept coming in for repeat prescriptions for several antibiotics even though their original condition had cleared up weeks earlier. When she questioned the manager she was told that these were being sent out to Pakistan as the Doctor, also Asian, who was prescribing them had agreed to it. She tried to complain to the local health authority but was told to mind her own business! Needless to say she left the job in disgust!
 
#48
If you're too sleepy to figure that one out Whet I'll help. He implied you are a benefit scrounging bone idle ****.
Indeed. As has been mentioned ad nausium. As has been reported to the authorities by some on here resulting in those authorities having checked me out and given me a clean bill of health. One of your number even went to the extent of hiring a private investigator . . . . who found nothing.

The same few knobbers can't get their heads around the fact that I have an incurable brain disease, they see that I can do some things for short periods of time at certain times and extrapolate that to mean that I can hold down a permenant position - ignoring the fact that very few with narcolepsy, cataplexy and associated disorders can do so.

Funny how it's the same few who are bigoted in other ways too :roll:
 

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#49
I understood the fraud investigator was talking about ex pats coming back to this country and claiming that to which they are not entitled - nothing explicitly whatsoever to do with Spain. The fact is those ex pat fraudsters have been brought up in the ways suggested - honesty, decency, doing the right thing but still act fraudulently,
And why are they not entitled?? To become ex pats means that at some point, they paid into the system here, some probably all of their working lives, before retiring to sunnier climes. Speaking of which, when was the last time you actually made an NI payment or tax? Should we stop your and all benefit claimants treatment due to not paying into the system recently or, in some cases, at all?
 

jarrod248

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#50
Indeed. As has been mentioned ad nausium. As has been reported to the authorities by some on here resulting in those authorities having checked me out and given me a clean bill of health. One of your number even went to the extent of hiring a private investigator . . . . who found nothing.

The same few knobbers can't get their heads around the fact that I have an incurable brain disease, they see that I can do some things for short periods of time at certain times and extrapolate that to mean that I can hold down a permenant position - ignoring the fact that very few with narcolepsy, cataplexy and associated disorders can do so.

Funny how it's the same few who are bigoted in other ways too :roll:
Clean bill of health? Get a job then.
 

Joker62

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#51
#52
And why are they not entitled?? To become ex pats means that at some point, they paid into the system here, some probably all of their working lives, before retiring to sunnier climes. Speaking of which, when was the last time you actually made an NI payment or tax? Should we stop your and all benefit claimants treatment due to not paying into the system recently or, in some cases, at all?
They obviously are not allowed to claim otherwise the fraud investigator wouldn't have mentioned them, now would she?
 
#54
And why are they not entitled?? To become ex pats means that at some point, they paid into the system here, some probably all of their working lives, before retiring to sunnier climes. Speaking of which, when was the last time you actually made an NI payment or tax? Should we stop your and all benefit claimants treatment due to not paying into the system recently or, in some cases, at all?
It's to do with the way NI works. Pretty much the same as house insurance or vehicle insurance. If you let your policy lapse then you aren't covered. If you are on benefit then your NI is paid for you by the system.
 

Joker62

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#57
It's to do with the way NI works. Pretty much the same as house insurance or vehicle insurance. If you let your policy lapse then you aren't covered. If you are on benefit then your NI is paid for you by the system.
That much I know, but Whet seems to be insinuating that unless you physically pay NI here and now, via what ever means, that you aren't entitled, so where do pensioners stand? I'd like to think that having paid in for the whole of my working life that I could claim whenever I wanted even if I had left the country, after all I've paid into it.
 

Joker62

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#59
Wit - bet you wished you had some eh?

To state the obvious - they saw that my illness was geniune and my claims for help were valid
In that case, try not to use misleading terms like "clean bill of health"
 
#60
That much I know, but Whet seems to be insinuating that unless you physically pay NI here and now, via what ever means, that you aren't entitled, so where do pensioners stand? I'd like to think that having paid in for the whole of my working life that I could claim whenever I wanted even if I had left the country, after all I've paid into it.
Yes, of course you can, provided you have kept up your contributions either through work or benefit up to retirement. If you have had periods (like me) where you have been unemployed but lived on your own resources then you have to make up the payments before you get full entitlement. If you left now and took up a tax-free job elsewhere for five years then you could either make up the five years or take a slightly reduced pension, you'd still get all other benefits (I think).
 

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