Last Night BBC investigation on Health Tourists

#1
I was absolutely fuming last night watching an investigation into non-entitled people paying 'go-betweens' to have their details fraudantely registered on the NHS. People were paying a £2-300 bribe each to these people who then registered them (sometimes via a chain of other go betweens) with false names, addresses and NI information (1 guy clearly worked in the NHS as he was filmed taking money in front of an NHS computer where he was entering his customers details). This means that they could then register with a GP and receive drugs and treatments such as MRI scans which cost £800 a shot - 1 illegal immigrant guy had 2 hips replaced.

Apart from the obvious fraud I was even more annoyed to see that the vast majority of the go-betweens appeared to be of non-UK origin who were taking advantage of their own ethnic groups and screwing the UK taxpayers at the same time. I believe that this behaviour is becoming more and more prevalent whether it is for arranging 'student' visas and fake courses, people trafficking or running slave work gangs - in just about every case I've seen on all the various TV programmes its immigrants who are instigating it (I'm not forgetting that UK nationals are taking advantage of the slave labour)

I worry that the corruption that is so prevalent in other countries is starting to become the norm and something needs to be done about - the time for being polite and non-inflamotory about ethnic and immigrant issues has passed and politicians, media and the Police need to be much more public about whats going on - in particular white middle class do-gooders need to stop being so 'nice'
 

OldSnowy

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#2
It's nothing new. In the hospital (a very large General Hospital in the SE) there are a number of consultants who pretty much refuse to co-operate with the Fin section whose job is to hunt down these people and get them to pay. They don't do it from any sort of racist/helping their compatriots view (as some may expect, given that the vast majpority of consultants are not, shall we say, natural EDL members), but because they think that the NHS should be free to all. And I do mean all. Fine moral viewpoint, but not one that the Governement agree with, nor what was intended when the NHS was set up.
 
#3
This comes as absolutely no sursprise to me whatsoever. The area I live in has a only a small ethnic population, yet on my visits to the local hospital the place is full of, mostly elderly, Asians.

But it's not just Asians, it would be unfair to single them out, I was sat next to four elderly Italians last winter, none of whom spoke a word of English and the hospital had to get an interpreter for them, they had no family in the UK and weren't on any kind of holiday, other than a health one.
 
#4
I expect that we will see more of this when our brothers in poorer parts of the EU realise that the stories they have heard about us being a soft touch are true.
 
#5
But it's not just Asians, it would be unfair to single them out, I was sat next to four elderly Italians last winter, none of whom spoke a word of English and the hospital had to get an interpreter for them, they had no family in the UK and weren't on any kind of holiday, other than a health one.
WTF are we doing treating f*king Italians for ? C**ts should have been thrown out and told to f**k off
 
#6
WTF are we doing treating f*king Italians for ? C**ts should have been thrown out and told to f**k off
Because they have to pay for their treatment in Spicland, but as EU citizens are entitled to free treatment in the UK.
 
#7
Yer we've pretty muched dropped the soap and asked every poorly Muhammed to get in line as we, for some reason, just like a good hard raping.
 
#8
I was absolutely fuming last night watching an investigation into non-entitled people paying 'go-betweens' to have their details fraudantely registered on the NHS. People were paying a £2-300 bribe each to these people who then registered them (sometimes via a chain of other go betweens) with false names, addresses and NI information (1 guy clearly worked in the NHS as he was filmed taking money in front of an NHS computer where he was entering his customers details). This means that they could then register with a GP and receive drugs and treatments such as MRI scans which cost £800 a shot - 1 illegal immigrant guy had 2 hips replaced.

Apart from the obvious fraud I was even more annoyed to see that the vast majority of the go-betweens appeared to be of non-UK origin who were taking advantage of their own ethnic groups and screwing the UK taxpayers at the same time. I believe that this behaviour is becoming more and more prevalent whether it is for arranging 'student' visas and fake courses, people trafficking or running slave work gangs - in just about every case I've seen on all the various TV programmes its immigrants who are instigating it (I'm not forgetting that UK nationals are taking advantage of the slave labour)

I worry that the corruption that is so prevalent in other countries is starting to become the norm and something needs to be done about - the time for being polite and non-inflamotory about ethnic and immigrant issues has passed and politicians, media and the Police need to be much more public about whats going on - in particular white middle class do-gooders need to stop being so 'nice'
Your point on corruption: it is as endemic in the UK as in the worst of African and other countries - we are just better at disguising it. The trouble is that UK government departments responsible for routing out fraud are working with out-of-date information and systems and, as you imply, are actually opposed by senior staff in the Civil Service - see articles in the last couple of days over the Virgin/First Group rail scandal and on said staff "obstructing" decisions by ministers, obviously to serve their own means.

On the point of corruption in the NHS, this should be seen as yet another nail in its own coffin lid. While routine operations, such as hip replacements, are now being put off for older people (dismissed by some GPs and consultants as just an inevitable result of ageing), I really do want to move out of the EU, to somewhere I can pay an effective health insurance premium and be sure I get the treatment I need.
 
#9
WTF are we doing treating f*king Italians for ? C**ts should have been thrown out and told to f**k off
Damn that E111 form that entitles us to the same .
 
#11
Because they have to pay for their treatment in Spicland, but as EU citizens are entitled to free treatment in the UK.
I've always thought that EU members should treat citizens of other member states and then send the home country the bill. Would solve this sort of thing pretty quickly.
 
#13
I've always thought that EU members should treat citizens of other member states and then send the home country the bill. Would solve this sort of thing pretty quickly.
That's what's supposed to happen. Guess what other countries do, and this country doesn't?
 
#14
I thought they were only entitled to recieve what they would receive in their own country unless they have taken up permanent residence here?
The NHS never turn anyone in need of treatment away, whatever the reason for presenting.
 
#15
I wouldn't deny that corruption amongst UK Nationals exists everywhere but I hang onto the old fashioned belief that when all is said and done most British people are 'decent', respectful of others and abide by the law of the land - perhaps that is because we have a more 'matured' culture and developed system of law and personal morals because we have been fortunate to be born and live in a country that is basically fair to all - people arriving from other countries where rights are less well defined are probably forced to be more 'Jack' to survive and less respectful of others and authority.

The main point being that instead of adopting the best bits of British culture and belief system they are bringing their worst habits here with them and reverting back to the norm.
 

OldSnowy

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#17
So why try to fake identities then? Why not just rack up, demand your interpretor and get your treatment? I agree about emergency treatment but if Carlos or Giacomo want a new hip they can hop it, literally.
Because there is always the risk that they will be tracked down, eventually, and presented with a bill, if they use their real names. Or at least, they can/should be.
 
#18
I wouldn't deny that corruption amongst UK Nationals exists everywhere but I hang onto the old fashioned belief that when all is said and done most British people are 'decent', respectful of others and abide by the law of the land - perhaps that is because we have a more 'matured' culture and developed system of law and personal morals because we have been fortunate to be born and live in a country that is basically fair to all - people arriving from other countries where rights are less well defined are probably forced to be more 'Jack' to survive and less respectful of others and authority.

The main point being that instead of adopting the best bits of British culture and belief system they are bringing their worst habits here with them and reverting back to the norm.
That may well be the case although I really think we have as big a criminal element as anyone else.

I think the trouble with the NHS is that it is free so the recipients don't think of it as being of a literal value. I also think that not everyone realises that they are defrauding the NHS (I'm not talking about the ones who take back-handers). I recently went on holiday and realised, when I got there, that I had forgotten some medication. One of the locals says, "I take those and I get free treatment because I'm retired, I'll tell my doc I've lost mine and get you a fortnight's worth". I was dead chuffed and said ta. Looking back on it I was complicit in fraud although to me it was just a relief to get out of a bind as I would have had to pay to see a doctor and for my script as they were prescription only drugs.

I would guess that there's more of the activity I just described than wholesale fraud although I will say one thing. If one of my family was seriously ill or dying then I would quite happily defraud anyone to keep them alive.
 
#19
Yes, the times I have been in the local walk in clinic have worried me. I have seen people of origin and lingo that are just not at all local or European for that matter claiming to be resident. The person at the counter asks for some sort of verification (who is your GP, where is the GP practice, NI number, personal ID etc) and when the person concerned has no idea about any of this, they are told well not to worry, take a seat and you will be seen soon, and they are.

That must be the weakest secuirty check going.

...and this includes Anglo Saxon, English speaking people from the like of S. Africa, NZ and Australia. Don't recall any from Canada or the US though.
 

jarrod248

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#20
Our practice ran an asylum seeker pilot they are the biggest users of A&E. Its hard to educate them as for many when they are ill, they are used to going to Hospital. Family Doctor services aren't available in many of the countries they are from.
 

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