laser eye surgery

Discussion in 'Health and Fitness' started by matt12, Nov 29, 2005.

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  1. hi

    im hoping to go to sandhurst next september , still got to do rcb ect

    the question is im slightly short sighted, but well within limits to pass medical in terms of correctability but i really dont want to wear glasses at sandhurst.

    is laser eye surgery a bar to entry? if not how do i find out which types are allowed?

  2. Yes, Laser Eye Surgery IS a bar to entering. However once in, and I mean the real army not Sandbags, you could easily have it done. You will be very closely questioned, medically, upon entering Sandbags and that is just the sort of thing that could cause you problems. My advice is to wait until you are settled on the road down your military career. I know at least 3 SERVING personnel who have had it done, but after they were in.

  3. BULLSH1T.

    Lord Wendy,I am living proof you are forming opinions without knowedge of the facts. C0CK.

    However, MATT, I would suggest you join the Army first, or discuss with your MO. It will delay your entry by up to one year b4 you join, as you will be referred to a Specialist, either serving or ex-RAMC/RN/RAF.

    I dont think you will have time to have it done while at RMAS... nor should you, as you can be discharged very easily until the point when you are trained. If you present an administrative burden to some not very bright Colour Sgt, you may well find yourself backtrooped or worse.

    Also. think hard, as this is not something to undertake solely for career reasons. If you want it that badly(£2000plus for a decent job..I recommend Ultralase, do not touch Optimax with a bargepole), get it done anyway, but be aware of the risks to your career if it goes wrong.

    lasek AND lasik ARE ACCEPTABLE. old style scalpel incisions as practiced by the Russians...are NOT! I also suggest you have the procedure carried out by someone who is an Opthalmic specialist, who still treats other eye conditions and is not solely a cosmetic type surgeon. You should also look for someone who has performed at least 1000 CORRECTIONS. My Dr had over 11000. Let someone else be the guinea pig!
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  5. Dudes

    I am currently serving and currently squinting 'cos I had surgery with Ultralase 4 days ago ( I had Wavefront guided LASEK at a cost of £3000 but I am paying over 3 years interest free so £83 a month).

    Firstly - policy

    Having Laser eye surgery is not a bar to entry but you can not join up for a year after having it done.
    The Army prefers you to have LASEK as the corneal flap is shallower and reduces risks in the case of blows to your head.
    You can have surgery in the army but you have to pay yourself and declare it to the Docs and you will be downgraded for a year afterwards but it shouldn't make you undeployable during that time.

    Secondly a useful pointer - go to Ultralase or anyone else that does Wavefront - the USAF have authorised their pilots to have wavefront surgery. Believe me if a country as litigious as America and an organisation as risk averse as their Air Force say it's good then it's good.

    If you can spare the time before joining RMAS then by all means consider it but being a speccy leper is not a bar to entry but wearing specs is a pain in the arse during the commissioning course. I broke two pairs at Sandhurst and once got three days restrictions of Priviledges for having rain on my glasses during a show parade (it was rainingat the time) from a knob of a Cavalryman.

    Some bonuses of being a speccy at RMAS include - that some of the desperatly chippy but arrogant infantry units may not head hunt you 'cos you don't meet their exacting physical standards - that some of the desperatly chippy but arrogant female officer cadets may not head hunt you as you don't meet their exacting physical standards
  6. Can't say about your original question, but if you have it done you cannot work for the railway as a driver or safety critical staff
  7. Hi I'm off to Sandhurst in May and I have terrible eye-sight - literally just good enough to pass the standards - I wear 30 day continuous wear lenses and I never wear glasses. I can't stand wearing glasses as they annoy the hell out of my nose! Will I be able to wear contacts? If I pack a spare pair (of glasses and contacts) with me when we go out on exercise will that be ok?
  8. Can you give your reasons please?

    The reason I ask is I've found Optimax sell spare capacity on Ebay for much less than the full price. Optimax on Ebay

    I know Ebay sounds like a dodgy place to buy eye surgery but with a feedback rating of 595 @ 99.3% positive, there has to be something in it.

    I found this through Martin Lewis Site *

    * Note this is a financial recommendation, not a medical one
  9. I've worn contacts since shortly after starting basic training and the only problem I've had is when taking them out to clean them with fingers that are less than clean! (Difficult under the conditions). If yours last a month you should be ok, just make sure you time it right.

    I'd definately keep the spare pair and glasses handy just in case, contacts can fall out in the heat of err, battle, if your eyesight is poor it could make life difficult 8O
  10. The official Sandhurst line is that you are not meant to wear contacts in the field, and that you should wear the issue glasses.

    Having said that, i also wear the 30 day continuous wear lenses and have worn them on every ex without any dramas. The only time i dont wear them is for NBC training (this isnt really a problem though as your respirator has lenses fitted).

    Pack glasses and a contact lense case in your bergen with some saline soloution as a back up though.
  11. Well, best policy is to do what you want, and don't 'fess up. I had my eyes zapped about 2/3rds of the way through my service (how I wish I'd had it done years earlier...) and when I was in a unit where uncorrected 20/20 was supposed to be the standard: (a) they never noticed I was wearing contacts to start with, (b) they then never noticed the miraculous improvement in my PULHEEMS.....

    Modern contacts are better than the old ones, but there are some strategies you can use to survive during Sandhurst and subsequent service :
    - If you are going to be bumped during the night, then obviously you will have a drama with trying to insert your lens. As a rule of thumb, if you feel you've got time to get into a sleeping bag, then you have time to take out and re-insert contacts (easier these days in that you can have a dim torch inside a bivvy bag to see what you are doing); if there is any chance of getting bugged out, then learn to sleep with them in (and get used to sleeping in the open without using your dossbag!). I found that if i slept in a sitting position against a tree or trench, then c lens could be worn without them glueing themselves to my corneas.
    - Find a way to get two respirators - one fitted for glasses, and one without. If you are already in TA or OTC, try getting a speccy respirator before going to Sandhurst - then you have the option of drawing a normal respirator and not being detected as a four-eyes by the powers that be. If and when you have to go to a real war, then you have to make a big-boy decision about coming out of the closet as a four-eyes - you just can't risk your life or those of others in the interests of vanity. My strategy in Cold-War days was to deploy wearing contacts, but with 2 prs of normal specs and my respirator specs on my person, in case things went tits up. Although I'd been laser'd by the time of Telic1, I reckon that war could have been done on contacts - such was the relative shortness of the NBC alerts. Dust was another matter..
  12. From a Surgeon Captain (RN)....

    If the issue is just corrective refraction, the following methods of surgical correction for short sight are now considered suitable prior to entry on a case-by-case basis for non-specialist employment groups, and subject to Single Service requirements.

    Photorefractive Keratomy (PRK)
    Laser Epithelial Keratomileusis (LASEK)
    Intrastomal Corneal Rings (ICRs) also known as Intrastromal Corneal Segments (ICS)

    Entry will not be considered for those who have had Radial Keratomy (RK) or Astigmatic Keratomy (AK).

    If you are already in you will not have a problem. The commonest procedures are PRK or LASEK, both of which are OK as far as the RN is concerned.

    I would suggest getting an informal Army opinion on this (from a suitably qualified person - ie Medical) before proceeding, especially if your form of entry involves any advance of pay or bursary tied to contract.
  13. Yes. I went to Optimax first. I got scared by the lack of professionalism, the use of the Laser clinic as a hair removal place as well, a discount offer which was on for 'walkins' but was refused to me as a telephone appointment, and lastly, a 'specialist' who had been in the country less than one year, spoke poor english, and who refused to answer my questions about his experience!

    99.3%approval means 7 out of 1000 dissatasfied. much less than this at UL. there is spare capacity cos they are crap.

    Ultralase were outstanding, the surgeon was the main man with over 10000 ops, and on the day of the procedure my friend who was to accompany me was late, so one of the nurses came in and held my hand which I thought was very sweet of her, and most professional of the company.It was also very reassuring at that time! Despite my best efforts at taking her out 2 weeks later, I didnt get to shag that lovely aussie nurse :( all, 5'1 of her...ahhhhhhhhh.
  14. I had Wavefront EPI-LASIK done at Optimax nearly 6 months ago, I now have slightly better than
    20/20 vision.

    While things turned out ok, and the price was great, apart from the actual ophthamologists (or whatever)
    the rest of the staff seemed really unprofessional. Lots of sexy nurses from Spain or Latvia but they didnt
    really seem to know what was going on..

    It now looks like I may be deployed later this year. I'm just wondering if I should come clean, either at my
    TA unit or at Chilwell, or, stay schtum and do an honest eyetest, or try to bluff it through that I'm still half-blind..

    Any suggestions anyone ? Thanks.. T
    Although the US Military actively encourages its troops and other service personnel to have LASIK laser eye treatment for short sight, long sight and astigmatism, the UK Ministry of Defence (MoD) has yet to adopt the same approach. Ultralase asked the MoD to clarify their current position. The Secretary of State for Defence (Geoff Hoon, MP) provided us with the following statement.

    "The MoD is currently reviewing its policy on laser eye surgery. In future, this may allow us to offer this treatment for Service personnel, undertaken by military ophthalmic surgeons in defence secondary care facilities, where appropriate.

    "However, existing military policy - followed by all three Services - states that while laser eye surgery is not generally prohibited among serving personnel or potential recruits, there are rules covering its use. Laser eye surgery is not approved for personnel in certain specialist employment groups such as aviation, diving, airborne forces or marines. And for all personnel, either serving or potential recruits, the maximum pre-correction refractive error that is allowable to be corrected is +/- 6 dioptres. The MoD does not pay for refractive error corrective surgery, nor is it undertaken by military ophthalmic surgeons on military patients.

    "Personnel who are currently serving, and choose to undergo laser eye surgery, are obliged to disclose it to their medical officer and, on their return to work, they are temporarily medically downgraded for a period of 12 months. Before being declared medically fit, they are seen by a Service consultant ophthalmologist who confirms that the individual is suffering from no significant visual side effects secondary to the surgery, and that the eye is stable. When contemplating this procedure, personnel are advised that failure to meet eyesight standards following the operation may result in permanent medical downgrading.

    "Any potential recruit who has disclosed that they have had laser eye surgery must be referred for a comprehensive ophthalmic examination by a Service approved consultant ophthalmic surgeon who will make a recommendation on suitability for entry. This must include specialist visual function testing. They must also show documentary evidence that:

    the pre-correction error was no more than +/- 6 dioptres;
    the best spectacle corrected visual acuity is 6/6 or better in the right eye, and 6/12 or better in the left eye;
    at least 12 months have elapsed since they had the treatment;
    there has been no significant visual side effects secondary to the surgery affecting daily activities; and
    refraction is stable, as defined by two refractions performed on each eye at least six months apart, with no more than a 0.50 dioptre difference in the spherical equivalent in each eye.
    I hope that this answers the questions raised by Ultralase."

    Geoff Hoon
    Ministry of Defence