Laser Eye Surgery - Detectable?

Discussion in 'Health and Fitness' started by SmithsRail, Jan 16, 2008.

Welcome to the Army Rumour Service, ARRSE

The UK's largest and busiest UNofficial military website.

The heart of the site is the forum area, including:

  1. Hey all I'm off to Catterick for the CIC 24th Febuary 2008, Apparently I hear that it is possible to have laser surgery whilst in the Army, however you get downgraded or something for a year. The question is, If I had laser surgery on the sly, without informing the Army, is there anyway they can tell that I've had the surgery apart from asking me to read off the board (which I can most likely fake)? The reason I ask is because I've seen soldiers post on this forum before saying that they've had it and not informed the medical centre..

    ... how do I go about this?
  2. You had an entry medical right?.....did you fake it then?

    Values and Standards of the British Army, chief amongst which is integrity.
  3. Depending on the method, the skill of the surgeon and the time elapsed, it's almost undetectable except to a specialist who knows he's looking for it.

    However, think in terms of several years for the signs to go, and only then if you are lucky.

  4. No I didn't fake it then. I doubt I speak only for myself when I say I don't want to have to be wearing glasses/contact lenses whilst in a conflict zone or even an op.. it's un-nessacary hastle.

    I never thought I'd say this but Britain should take a leaf out of America's book on the term that the US Military pay for your laser wavefront surgery for everybody on entry, plus their pilots + special forces can have had it. There are no defects with Wavefront :/
  5. Don't kid yourself. There are possible complications with any surgical procedure. In addition, 'wavefront' is not the actual cutting/shaping bit of the op - it refers to the measuring of the eye beforehand, with assorted clever lasers and computer thingys. It is done to provide 'ultra-accurate' information to guide the subsequent operation, which is normally a Lasik procedure. Lasik has a 3 to 6% rate of subsequent complications - so that's 3 to 6 people in every hundred...

    I've had it done, it's great, but no op is guaranteed safe, and you're screwing with your eyes - it's less fun than it could be. If any surgeon offering such procedures tells you it's 100% safe, they are unethical liars, and I would walk away with my sub-perfect but usable eyes intact.
  6. So if you didn't fake it.......your eyesight would have been recorded on your entry medical paperwork and subsequently on the front of your FMed4. Eyesight rarely (if ever) spontaneously corrects itself, so if you suddenly start showing signs of a JC type miracle then someone will sniff something wrong.
  7. cpunk

    cpunk LE Moderator

    Actually, I haven't found it a problem in the 22 years since I first went on ops.
  8. As laser eye surgery is relatively new, no one can tell you what the long term effects are/could be. Far better to wear contacts or glasses, than to have a medical discharge for bad eyesight ten years down the line.
  9. You don't want LASIK anyway, and they could see the flap. LASEK/PRK produces a cornea which is unusually flat in the centre compared to the surrounding area so if they were using optician kit they could see it, but not with the naked eye, or even with an opthalmoscope or a slit lamp.

    And nothing is foolproof.
  10. My mate reckons that since he had it done, he can see out of one eye "like a fukin Kestrel"

    the other is apparently bollocks.
  11. Had both eyes done some years ago. I can hear for miles.
  12. Never nicked an extra bluebury muffin at scoff then.

    I see fully why somebody would want to keep this quiet. I've never ha to sit down in an Opticians chair and get my eyes examined. Just had the read the letters back to front, see you later treatment.

    Not advising you to go and do it, just saying when was the last time the army "Examined" your eyes?
  13. Reading that again, your cornea would be oddly flat in the middle if you start off shortsighted. If you are longsighted your cornea would end up unusually curvy in the middle, compared to the surrpunding tissue. That might be more noticeable - and you really, really don't want to have surgery for longsight - the surgery doesn't work as well, regression is much worse and longsighted people under 40 can function not too bad when they lose their specs/lenses.
  14. why hide it, LES is allowed, LASEK, LASIK, even ICR's, which is basically cutting the eye, inserting plastic rings into it and then sealing it up, if they allow that they allow pretty much any modern LES, here's the actual information from the MOD

  15. I had LASEK about two years ago - very happy with it. With something as important as your sight, it makes sense to go for the best, don't be taken in by the cheap offers you see in the paper. I was told that I'd always have scarring with this procedure. Nothing I can see but something an optician would pick up.