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Cutaway

LE
Kit Reviewer
the STEN was considered perfectly fit for service. Once the war was out Of the way, the Army ran a Trial o’ truth with some new SMG contenders to replace the STEN. The verdict? Yes, the Patchett that had been in limited service since 1944 was better, but not so stellarly so it so it warranted the dumping of the STEN for it.

Most fail to feeds with a STEN were down to, misaligned mag lips, there was a gauge to check them, loading the full 30 rounds into the magazine, this put the spring under very high tension (Hence the loading tool) and in a less than good magazine, the stack stuck and .... click, fugigit! 28 and you were fine. And last but not least, despite the instruction manuals and instructors telling people endlessly, don’t hold it by the magazine, They did, And it could pull the magazine out of alignment and yet again..... click! Fuggit!

the MP40 with exactly the same single stack magazine design had exactly the same issues with fail to feeds - but as it’s German, no one mentions that it was less than perfect too.
Amazing what you can find on the internet.

Some of it might even be gen.
 
the MP40 with exactly the same single stack magazine design had exactly the same issues with fail to feeds - but as it’s German, no one mentions that it was less than perfect too.
Many people have mentioned the MP38/40 was less than ideal, Including in this thread. In fact I dont know of ANY poster here who has defended the MP38/40, But of course you keep trying to change actual facts to fit your internet knowledge.

MP38 faults included-
Mag design Single feed pos
Wobbly stock
If dropped could fire a round (''fixed'' in the MP 40 by having a bolt handle that when pushed IN locked the bolt forwards (A Similar fix was made to Mk V STEN's)
 

NSP

LE
Aluminium?

sounds a bit bonkers I thought they needed it all for airframes and mess tins.
They started making them from resin-impregnated paper (thick plasticised cardboard, basically) later on when alu' got scarce.

Even harder to detect with a magnetometer...
 

Grumblegrunt

LE
Book Reviewer
They started making them from resin-impregnated paper (thick plasticised cardboard, basically) later on when alu' got scarce.

Even harder to detect with a magnetometer...
well they were nothing if not clever.

as we have seen post war as well.

so do you just blow them in situe then?
 
all of it’s gen, but hey, German is the wunderwaffe eh!
LOL still stuck like a rat in a trap, where did anyone say the MP38/40 is better? YOU are the only one trying to do it bizarrely.
 

Cutaway

LE
Kit Reviewer
all of it’s gen, but hey, German is the wunderwaffe eh!
Of course it is petal.

Have a search search for high threat IEDD so you can become our SME in that too.
Be sure to get someone to video your practical skills too.
 
It had a reputation for jamming - maybe anecdotal.
Could have been operator error in the Heydrich case, I suppose. Nerves on the part of the shooter - did he carry it with the magazine separate to aid in concealment ? Then fail to insert the mag fully in that moment of terror when he stepped into the road in front of the car ?
We'll never know.
He carried the Sten stripped down, in a briefcase full of grass (Prague locals often collected grass to eat apparently). Not good preparation for firing.
 

Unremarkable

War Hero
A load of Weapons turned up recently in Italy when builders where demolishing an old property, Italian Carbines WW1 era, stens, and pistols, they reckon hidden by the Anti fascist movment
I wonder what other weapons caches are still concealed in Europe
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Caltrops!
 
Of course it is petal.

Have a search search for high threat IEDD so you can become our SME in that too.
Be sure to get someone to video your practical skills too.
your need to bang your chubby little e-fists on your keyboard in impotent rage amuses me.
 
Many people have mentioned the MP38/40 was less than ideal, Including in this thread. In fact I dont know of ANY poster here who has defended the MP38/40, But of course you keep trying to change actual facts to fit your internet knowledge.

MP38 faults included-
Mag design Single feed pos
Wobbly stock
If dropped could fire a round (''fixed'' in the MP 40 by having a bolt handle that when pushed IN locked the bolt forwards (A Similar fix was made to Mk V STEN's)
holy crap! Gun Designed in just days comes without bells and whistles shock!
anyone would think there was a war on!

MP38/40? Most overrated SMG of all time. Over complex, heavy, expensive, fragile.
 

Cutaway

LE
Kit Reviewer
MP38/40? Most overrated SMG of all time. Over complex, heavy, expensive, fragile.
How many have you fired ?
Outside of computer games.
 
It failed because he took the Butt off the weapon to help conceal it, without realizing it also acted as the return spring buffer . The sterling Smg has an end cap for this reason. .

There was pistol grip /buffer designed for the STEN for this purpose. maybe it wasn't available at the time?

hmmm, so the most famous ‘proof’ the STEN was unreliable was actually down to the bloke disabled the entire bolt mechanism.
 

BopBopBop

War Hero
anyone discussing ‘accuracy’ with regards a sub machine gun is talking nonsense.
its the sort of pooh you see in Gunz & Preppers, but in the real world, can’t hit the bugger by throwing it at him? Don’t bother trying to shoot at him.
Now Hush, grown ups are talking.
Did you always fail your SMG classification?
 
Taking the stock off a STEN wouldn't get you a first round stoppage , it has a spring retaining cup with a rotating bayonet fitting that does what its name says, so it can be stored without the stock without the guts falling out, there are only two sheet metal tabs holding the guts in and the tail of the bolt does impact the rear cup / stock attachment plate on firing, so the only problem would occur after the first round fired and or if the cup gave way.
 
Taking the stock off a STEN wouldn't get you a first round stoppage , it has a spring retaining cup with a rotating bayonet fitting that does what its name says, so it can be stored without the stock without the guts falling out, there are only two sheet metal tabs holding the guts in and the tail of the bolt does impact the rear cup / stock attachment plate on firing, so the only problem would occur after the first round fired and or if the cup gave way.
Theres the possibility that he had a knackered mag with misaligned feed lips, might even have had dud ammo. Shit happens. It's not like he could test fire it before going out to knock off Heydrich. It's not a weapon you can have the first round up the spout ready to go either. Something else is that if the mag is not a good one, does holding it while firing contribute to jams ?
 

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