Language training

#1
Hey guys,

this may be/probably is naive but I'm curious anyhow!

I am looking to enlist as an officer in a few years -- after I finish a degree -- and so I was looking at the training as an officer in the uk army and how it compared to other military systems (to make sure I was getting a good military education). One thing I noticed about the US system in particular is that they emphasis learning foreign languages. Is this sort of training available for officers in the British Army?
 
#3
There is no emphasis on learning a foreign language to any significant degree. There is, however, opportunity to do a long-language course (several languages available) if you have the aptitude for it. This will typically be 18 months learning the language, then 6 month deployment (I think, I'm not a linguist).
 
#4
If you wish to learn a language do so, do it to improve yourself.
I am learning languages. I have studied French, Spanish and German from GCSE through to A Level and will probably study them at degree level. I was just wondering if there was opportunity learn a language or two in the British Army.
 
#5
There is no emphasis on learning a foreign language to any significant degree. There is, however, opportunity to do a long-language course (several languages available) if you have the aptitude for it. This will typically be 18 months learning the language, then 6 month deployment (I think, I'm not a linguist).
Thanks. It's a shame as (especially with special ops where human intelligence could be important) a language can be very useful.
I want to join the infantry so long language course probably wont be available to me. I was under the impression that was only an option for the intelligence corps. I hope I am wrong as I would love to do it!
 
#6
There are very limited opportunities to work in NATO HQs where European languages help, but the main focus for languages at the minute is a little bit further south and east of Europe.
 
#7
Thanks. It's a shame as (especially with special ops where human intelligence could be important) a language can be very useful.
I want to join the infantry so long language course probably wont be available to me. I was under the impression that was only an option for the intelligence corps. I hope I am wrong as I would love to do it!
You can apply no matter your cap badge. Any specialist roles where a foreign language is an advantage will have interpreters attached, be they military or civilian.

Concentrate on getting in first, then a lot more information will be available to you.
 
#8
There are very limited opportunities to work in NATO HQs where European languages help, but the main focus for languages at the minute is a little bit further south and east of Europe.
Of course, Pashto, Darsi and Arabic will be the main focus for now. However, I'm sure that European languages will still be valuable. Also, Russian might be one that we want to start training people in soon, in the next 10 years I think we might need it!

You can apply no matter your cap badge. Any specialist roles where a foreign language is an advantage will have interpreters attached, be they military or civilian.

Concentrate on getting in first, then a lot more information will be available to you.
Oh, that's interesting. Thanks for your help.

Yep, there's a long time until I have to start worrying about all that but I can't help but be curious about possible opportunities! :)
 
#9
Hey guys,

this may be/probably is naive but I'm curious anyhow!

I am looking to enlist as an officer in a few years -- after I finish a degree -- and so I was looking at the training as an officer in the uk army and how it compared to other military systems (to make sure I was getting a good military education). One thing I noticed about the US system in particular is that they emphasis learning foreign languages. Is this sort of training available for officers in the British Army?
<shrug>

If you want to be a linguist, be a linguist. If you want to lead and command soldiers, including, possibly, linguists, try to become an officer. In the British Army, officers aren't necessarily specialists to the same extent that they are in other Armies, we keep a lot of specialist expertise in the non-commissioned and late entry ranks. That said, there are roles where an officer might find occasional employment using a language, but it won't be a primary focus.
 
#10
One thing I noticed about the US system in particular is that they emphasis learning foreign languages. Is this sort of training available for officers in the British Army?
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Really? Honestly? You thought cutting and pasting part of the OP's original, cannot be bothered to use the search function question was a good idea?
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#13
<shrug>

If you want to be a linguist, be a linguist. If you want to lead and command soldiers, including, possibly, linguists, try to become an officer. In the British Army, officers aren't necessarily specialists to the same extent that they are in other Armies, we keep a lot of specialist expertise in the non-commissioned and late entry ranks. That said, there are roles where an officer might find occasional employment using a language, but it won't be a primary focus.
Even the short Pashtun course is an asset to anyone in theatre. Pl comds engaging with ln's would benefit from this skill massively, however its probably impossible for them to find the time to fit in the course whilst leading their platoon throughout mst.
 
#14
Learning any foreign language is about more than just learning the language. You are also learning about the culture and a side effect is to reflect on your own culture. Having done so, when you visit a third country you might be more open minded and less inclined to become involved in some of our recent fubars, be that personal soldier to the head shed.

Therefore, I would have thought that inter-cultural communication skills as well languages should start to be on the agenda of our new model armed forces.
 
#15
#16
Learning any foreign language is about more than just learning the language. You are also learning about the culture and a side effect is to reflect on your own culture. Having done so, when you visit a third country you might be more open minded and less inclined to become involved in some of our recent fubars, be that personal soldier to the head shed.

Therefore, I would have thought that inter-cultural communication skills as well languages should start to be on the agenda of our new model armed forces.
Don't worry it's already been thought of.


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#17
I'd pass Sandhurst before you start planing an 18 Month Jolly at DSL

Languages &mdash; Defence Academy of the United Kingdom

And if you're looking at Languages of the future. Greek should be a good one as they will have dissolved into civil war over whether to have more German imposed austerity or not. Probably need to do a bit of Peacekeeping down that neck of the world.
 
#18
Traditionally this area is left to the ORs in the Slime. Maybe the senior ranks MAs off to somewhere nice will get a look in as well as the SF in the mentoring roles of old.

What possible benefit does bring having Officers who can speak a local language and understand the local culture when you can just employ a LEC with little or no security clearance and of questionable loyalty?

If we're honest words never really killed anyone which is where the action is at.

This may or may not lead to 'FOB shoot's no longer being a description of a range practice on MST but an event in your secure area but hey ho. It's the cost of doing business in a dangerous world and entirely unavoidable, well that's what the terp said and other than salaam and manana I'm pretty stumped.

If we were forced to leave mentoring roles due to the increase of Green on Blue which in no small part are due to cultural clashes escalating will we have been defeated? That is our ME at the moment, no?

Will we learn anything from our recent losses when we finally flee/pull out or will we carry on normal jogging where soft skills like languages learning and foreign courses are seen as a swan and once learned are never used again ("...you've had your fun")?

It appears to an outsider that linguists tend to be a one shot weapon. 18 months to learn, 6 months use, carry on normal jogging never to return to that role. Seems a bit of a waste.

These skills are expensive but then again so were Iraq (lose) and Afghanistan (losing).
 
#20
Traditionally this area is left to the ORs in the Slime. Maybe the senior ranks MAs off to somewhere nice will get a look in as well as the SF in the mentoring roles of old.

What possible benefit does bring having Officers who can speak a local language and understand the local culture when you can just employ a LEC with little or no security clearance and of questionable loyalty?

If we're honest words never really killed anyone which is where the action is at.

This may or may not lead to 'FOB shoot's no longer being a description of a range practice on MST but an event in your secure area but hey ho. It's the cost of doing business in a dangerous world and entirely unavoidable, well that's what the terp said and other than salaam and manana I'm pretty stumped.

If we were forced to leave mentoring roles due to the increase of Green on Blue which in no small part are due to cultural clashes escalating will we have been defeated? That is our ME at the moment, no?

Will we learn anything from our recent losses when we finally flee/pull out or will we carry on normal jogging where soft skills like languages learning and foreign courses are seen as a swan and once learned are never used again ("...you've had your fun")?

It appears to an outsider that linguists tend to be a one shot weapon. 18 months to learn, 6 months use, carry on normal jogging never to return to that role. Seems a bit of a waste.

These skills are expensive but then again so were Iraq (lose) and Afghanistan (losing).
You appear to have lost your fill, or maybe you just don't have a clue!!


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