Land Rover horror stories

Odd thing with maintenance, my 11a was for 10 years my daily drive. It would get oil and water and other fluids checked over. It was however never really serviced.
It only let me down when a core plug blew and when the rotor arm failed (thanks intermotor).
 

WALT

LE
Out with the old:-
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And in with the new:-
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And today she was back to work, doing what she does best:-
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Mind you, what you can't see is that the gearbox cover is still off and half the seats are still out. The noise and heat from the engine is not pleasant!
I still can't find all the gears, I'm hoping a bit of fettling with the settings will improve that, but she can still do the business.
 
Odd thing with maintenance, my 11a was for 10 years my daily drive. It would get oil and water and other fluids checked over. It was however never really serviced.
It only let me down when a core plug blew and when the rotor arm failed (thanks intermotor).


Thats the patented Land Rover Total Loss lubrication system in action
Never needs an oil change as long as you keep topping it up.....
 

Scunner

Old-Salt
Mind you, what you can't see is that the gearbox cover is still off and half the seats are still out. The noise and heat from the engine is not pleasant!
I still can't find all the gears, I'm hoping a bit of fettling with the settings will improve that, but she can still do the business.
I seem to recall that the LT77 gear stick adjuster bolts have to be set just right for the gears to select properly ? It's been years since I did one of these though...
 

TamH70

MIA
Out with the old:-
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And in with the new:-
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And today she was back to work, doing what she does best:-
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Mind you, what you can't see is that the gearbox cover is still off and half the seats are still out. The noise and heat from the engine is not pleasant!
I still can't find all the gears, I'm hoping a bit of fettling with the settings will improve that, but she can still do the business.


This is probably telling you how to suck eggs, but I found a manual reference gears etc:

 

WALT

LE
I seem to recall that the LT77 gear stick adjuster bolts have to be set just right for the gears to select properly ? It's been years since I did one of these though...

And there in lies my problem (I hope). I've slapped the old selector assembly onto the new gearbox and hoped it works. Well it does, sort of but not quite 100%.
I posted the link from Britannia Restorations above, and after the reassembly video, he did say "and the next video is adjusting the settings."
I haven't bothered looking at that yet, but am coming around to the idea that I must.
But not for a couple of days. I've had enough. I need a couple of days off Land Rovers....
 

WALT

LE
This is probably telling you how to suck eggs, but I found a manual reference gears etc:


I've not seen that before. but I'll give it a look later, thanks. In the mean time I just have to wash, buy food, beer, etc.........I've been a bit immersed in oil for the last few days.
 
For once, I am underwhelmed by one of Raver's dits.

You want to hear real misery?
My saga is still ongoing. I'm now into the second weekend of trying to rebuild a gearbox. Jesus H Keh-rist on his motorbike! I never suspected it would be this difficult. The last weekend consisted exclusively of trying to put all the bits together and Ping! synchro mesh bits all over the shop. Several times. And each time it happened, strip everything down again and start over..........
By end of play, last Sunday, I had everything back together. Then I noticed one of the gears was on backwards. At this stage I gave up for the weekend.
During the week, I went back to school (well, Youtube).
This guy was a godsend, bless him:-


This weekend, after a period of reflection, and building some tools, I got to this stage:-

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The case is now on and in the next week comes the fifth gear and associated bits.

As I've gone along, I've found that I need special tools, so have had to build them. As part of the strip down I found that I needed a special puller. Land Rover wanted 500 quid for theirs! Needless to say, I had to build my own. Here it is with the other bits I had to make up. It's not as nice as Land Rover's but it works and took me about three hours to knock up out of old pipes.View attachment 577484

Now all this sounds like a lot of work but, none the less progress is being made?
Well it was until UPS got involved.
The layshaft was ordered from Gearboxparts online and came by DHL. They tried to deliver but I wasn't in. They left a note telling me there was tax to pay and a phone number to call. I called them, spoke to a human and got them to deliver the next day to my work, where I would hand over the cash for tax. Which worked and came last week allowing me to work on the gearbox.
Now compare and contrast with UPS:-
Heavy duty clutch ordered from Paddocks at the same time. UPS sent me an email saying it would be a couple of days late. Ok, no big deal. So I follow the tracking. "On the way." For the next week and a half. Nothing more from UPS. I try calling them from the help number on their website. I jump through hoops on their automated system until eventually I get the option to wait for a service bod. A bit more prerecorded waffle and then "thank you for calling UPS,"-click. And they charged me for the call. Twice.
I looked for an email address on their website. None to be found. I did find that they had a depot about 30 miles from me so one evening I drove there with my dodgy gearbox. I got in and the woman initially said there was nothing she could do. I refused to accept this and told her I wasn't leaving until I had some progress. This surprised her a bit and because they were operating a Covid "one in- one out" system in the waiting room, they had to get rid of me to allow other customers in.
So she found a bloke who talked me through the problem. He found out that the package was being held in Nuremburg awaiting payment for tax. I suggested that I pay him there and then and that he contacts Nuremburg to tell them to release the package.
"Oh no I can't do that."
"Why not?"
"I've got no direct contact with Nuremburg."
WTAF?
Eventually he shows me on the website where I can send a message to UPS. Ok. I'll give it a go, and on Thursday I send a message to UPS, on their site, where it says that someone will respond within one day. I'm still waiting.........

And Paddocks have sent me an email asking how my purchase went. I think my response may include Utterly Pathetic Shitcunts somewhere in the reply.

Right, sorry for the rant. I feel a bit better now......and breathe.......
So, one of the things that I've learnt whilst working on mine, is that sometimes, time is money.

My biggest mistake was trying to sort out the leaking sunroof on my Discovery TD5. I read up about it, saw all the videos about how easy it is, and the biggest job is dropping the headlining.

Lying bastards!

Three fecking days it took me. No room to work in the vehicle once the headlining is finally down.

Anyway, in the end, I had it all back together and all was well, till the first big rain shower and then I'd discovered that I'd not fixed it, I'd actually made it worse!

A few calls around and I managed to find a guy in Taunton (I think). He was mobile and he had some jobs this way so he scheduled me in the week after.

He arrived just after midday, and by the time I'd made him a coffee, he'd got the sunroof cassette out.

Another hour and he'd got a new, refurbished, cassette in and it was all sealed. Just had to leave it three hours for the mastic to set.

All this for £175 including VAT.

I had a chat with him, and he had all the right tools. Right angled electric drivers etc, he could work with the headlining in place, just slipping stuff under it.

He told me that L/Rs kept him in buisness and that he did at least three or four a week. He had done, quite literally, hundreds so he knew the shortcuts and the issues he would have.

So, what's the moral of this tale?

Whilst it can be fun to do these things, sometimes, the effort involved just isn't worth it. Three days of my time, versus £175.....I could have been out having fun on leave instead of having skinned knuckles, pinched fingers and lots of swearing.

Given that you could have a recon LT77 box for about £450 plus vat, with a years warranty......would that not be better than doing it yourself, having to make your own puller etc, and then finding out that one of the gears was on backwards? ;-)

Don't worry, we've all been there to some extent!
 

WALT

LE
Given that you could have a recon LT77 box for about £450 plus vat, with a years warranty......would that not be better than doing it yourself, having to make your own puller etc, and then finding out that one of the gears was on backwards? ;-)

Indeed time versus money is a concern. However I'm in Germany where a recon box costs a grand and a half. I dread to think how much sending a box and a return to the UK from here would be.
Oh, and I had 3 bent boxes. I thought it worth my while to do it myself and I've learnt a new skill! (I think)
 
So, one of the things that I've learnt whilst working on mine, is that sometimes, time is money.

My biggest mistake was trying to sort out the leaking sunroof on my Discovery TD5. I read up about it, saw all the videos about how easy it is, and the biggest job is dropping the headlining.

Lying bastards!

Three fecking days it took me. No room to work in the vehicle once the headlining is finally down.

Anyway, in the end, I had it all back together and all was well, till the first big rain shower and then I'd discovered that I'd not fixed it, I'd actually made it worse!

A few calls around and I managed to find a guy in Taunton (I think). He was mobile and he had some jobs this way so he scheduled me in the week after.

He arrived just after midday, and by the time I'd made him a coffee, he'd got the sunroof cassette out.

Another hour and he'd got a new, refurbished, cassette in and it was all sealed. Just had to leave it three hours for the mastic to set.

All this for £175 including VAT.

I had a chat with him, and he had all the right tools. Right angled electric drivers etc, he could work with the headlining in place, just slipping stuff under it.

He told me that L/Rs kept him in buisness and that he did at least three or four a week. He had done, quite literally, hundreds so he knew the shortcuts and the issues he would have.

So, what's the moral of this tale?

Whilst it can be fun to do these things, sometimes, the effort involved just isn't worth it. Three days of my time, versus £175.....I could have been out having fun on leave instead of having skinned knuckles, pinched fingers and lots of swearing.

Given that you could have a recon LT77 box for about £450 plus vat, with a years warranty......would that not be better than doing it yourself, having to make your own puller etc, and then finding out that one of the gears was on backwards? ;-)

Don't worry, we've all been there to some extent!
Very similar to stories from most manufacturers, I imagine; it certainly is with Volvo Penta. I need a new set of bearings and a shaft for the raw water impeller on one of my engines; easy enough job (ten minutes, apparently, at most), but Volvo have four or five specialised tools to extract and install the bloody things, which takes cost from £105 for the overhaul kit up to well over £600 for all the bits. Get a professional in; he's already got the bits.
 
So, one of the things that I've learnt whilst working on mine, is that sometimes, time is money.

Yea but it's a landie and landies like big hammers
Not after SIII. Those things require trained Mechanics and computers. The jua kali fundi sitting under his mango tree with a hammer, screwdriver and gallon of dodgy oil still lives though. Probably in Wolverhampton.
 

Scunner

Old-Salt
Tip of the iceberg? Spotted a tiny hole in the front chassis leg a couple or three? years ago and hastily MIGed a patch over it before MOT time. Stayed like that till I had some spare energy to do something about it, afternoons work I thought?? Fool...
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Cut a hole in the end of the leg to see how bad it was. Looked like the drain hole had been blocked and the leg had rotted up to the tide mark left by the salt and mud. Only option was to take off the stupid jacking point/ tow ring brackets and chop out the rot on both legs.
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Not much of the leg left....
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Welding up the leg from the inside, crossmember was solid, no rot inside it.
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welded up, stupid jacking point chopped down to just the tow ring part and welded back on, LHD steering damper bracket etc. consigned to the scrap pile, drain holes added at the lowest points, ready for paint and waxoyl/oil mix on the inside.
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Remains of the legs that didn't just crumble to dust, remarkably little metal left, considering how small the job looked at the start.
 
Tip of the iceberg? Spotted a tiny hole in the front chassis leg a couple or three? years ago and hastily MIGed a patch over it before MOT time. Stayed like that till I had some spare energy to do something about it, afternoons work I thought?? Fool...
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Cut a hole in the end of the leg to see how bad it was. Looked like the drain hole had been blocked and the leg had rotted up to the tide mark left by the salt and mud. Only option was to take off the stupid jacking point/ tow ring brackets and chop out the rot on both legs.
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Not much of the leg left....
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Welding up the leg from the inside, crossmember was solid, no rot inside it.
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welded up, stupid jacking point chopped down to just the tow ring part and welded back on, LHD steering damper bracket etc. consigned to the scrap pile, drain holes added at the lowest points, ready for paint and waxoyl/oil mix on the inside.
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Remains of the legs that didn't just crumble to dust, remarkably little metal left, considering how small the job looked at the start.


Nice job

Rot there is usually caused by mud and water through the jacking point holes.
Couple of plastic bungs prevent it


Normally lost a decade or two ago!
 
Nice job

Rot there is usually caused by mud and water through the jacking point holes.
Couple of plastic bungs prevent it


Normally lost a decade or two ago!
NOW . . . you tell us !! ;) .
 

WALT

LE
Rot there is usually caused by mud and water through the jacking point holes.
Couple of plastic bungs prevent it

NOW . . . you tell us !! ;) .

But it's a good idea to occasionally take the bungs out and power wash in there. That bit traps an awful lot of wet shite.

@Scunner 'scuse for asking, but do you have a REME background? The work you take on is definitely not for the faint-hearted and your results and tools seem a bit better than mine. At present I'm working as a farm mechanic, so a bit of blue baling twine is usually good enough for me and a less than professional approach seems not to upset Land Rovers too much.
I do think that we're giving any prospective Land Rover owners a bit of a heads up, though.
People often ask me what it takes to run a Land Rover; my response is "a lot of time and mechanical know how, or shit loads of money."
 

Scunner

Old-Salt
At present I'm working as a farm mechanic, so a bit of blue baling twine is usually good enough for me and a less than professional approach seems not to upset Land Rovers too much.
I do think that we're giving any prospective Land Rover owners a bit of a heads up, though.
People often ask me what it takes to run a Land Rover; my response is "a lot of time and mechanical know how, or shit loads of money."
That's a fair assessment of real Land Rover ownership. I don't count the newer stuff as Land Rovers, they are just cars with a LR badge....
Farm mechanic ? Used to do a fair amount of mechanical work for farmers, I don't miss it.
I work for a drilling co these days, bit more civilised, but there is still a place for the baler twine or fencing wire repair once in a while. I have both in the work van :D
 

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