Land Rover 101 Forward Control

#1
101s, aren't they just nails looking? There are a couple of these for sale on Ebay and I'm interested in buying one then converting it into a mobile home from home before setting off all across the UK as part of my post Army mid life crisis. Wikipedia and other places offer a lot of info. but I'd like to ask those who drove and maintained 101s of their opinions of these 4x4s? What are their pros and cons?

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#2
Basically don't . I owned one a few years ago and yes they are nails but cost a fooking fortune to run and maintain. If you have endless supplies of wonga then do it if not then bin the idea, sorry can,t be up more upbeat but i,m just being honest.

Cheers,
 
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rogermellie said:
Basically don't . I owned one a few years ago and yes they are nails but cost a fooking fortune to run and maintain. If you have endless supplies of wonga then do it if not then bin the idea, sorry can,t be up more upbeat but i,m just being honest.

Cheers,
Honesty is most appreciated RM, thank you. Nope, no wads of spare wonga over here. There's a 101 on ebay with a 2.8 Isuzu diesel fitted. Is it mainly the running gear that is crap? Some 101s have the 3.5 V8 which is a cracking motor.
 
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PandaLOVE said:
rogermellie said:
Basically don't . I owned one a few years ago and yes they are nails but cost a fooking fortune to run and maintain. If you have endless supplies of wonga then do it if not then bin the idea, sorry can,t be up more upbeat but i,m just being honest.

Cheers,
Honesty is most appreciated RM, thank you. Nope, no wads of spare wonga over here. There's a 101 on ebay with a 2.8 Isuzu diesel fitted. Is it mainly the running gear that is crap? Some 101s have the 3.5 V8 which is a cracking motor.
Hi again

Yes mine was fitted with 3.5 lump , that was fine it was everything else diffs axles wiring etc etc.

JUst one other thing to mention is are you looking at a 101 OR a forward control one ix ex mil the other errrr isnt. Now i,m not an anorak on the subject (honest :p ) but the forward control was used alot by civvie organisations such as fire, airports etc.
The forward control is asthetically diffrent although i cant comment on the mechanical side of things i suspect the non military version would probably be more reliable !! and easier to deal with ie more standardised parts and not 24 volt electrics. ( note sure if that is right, probably talking out of my hole)
Just a thought if the idea of buying one is get through the ole midlife crisis bit why not buy a BV206 , much better laugh and a damn site more reliable :D ( i didnt convince my boss to buy one :p )

Cheers

The man on telly
 
#8
rogermellie said:
PandaLOVE said:
rogermellie said:
Basically don't . I owned one a few years ago and yes they are nails but cost a fooking fortune to run and maintain. If you have endless supplies of wonga then do it if not then bin the idea, sorry can,t be up more upbeat but i,m just being honest.

Cheers,
Honesty is most appreciated RM, thank you. Nope, no wads of spare wonga over here. There's a 101 on ebay with a 2.8 Isuzu diesel fitted. Is it mainly the running gear that is crap? Some 101s have the 3.5 V8 which is a cracking motor.
Hi again

Yes mine was fitted with 3.5 lump , that was fine it was everything else diffs axles wiring etc etc.

JUst one other thing to mention is are you looking at a 101 OR a forward control one ix ex mil the other errrr isnt.

Just a thought if the idea of buying one is get through the ole midlife crisis bit why not buy a BV206 , much better laugh and a damn site more reliable :D ( i didnt convince my boss to buy one :p )

Cheers

The man on telly
Thanks RM. I'm unsure of the difference betwen 101 and FC. (I thought they were the same thing, doh!) but I have noticed some differences when googling them etc. I will look into that. I'm keen on the ex mil. hospital thingy.

Before I go googling, what is a BV206? A Unimog of sorts?

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#9
jarrod248 said:
Would be shoite as a mobile home - think of headroom, fuel comsumption will be poor. There are plenty of vans that would be more suitable - then what would I know I bought a Bedford in my mid-life crisis.
I agree. Definately other more spacious, economical and probably reliable options but I'm having one of my 'turns' in which all rational thinking is abandoned for between 2-5 days. I get it from my dad.

If anything, this thread could help me cross said vehicle off the list of possibilities.

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PandaLOVE said:
rogermellie said:
PandaLOVE said:
rogermellie said:
Basically don't . I owned one a few years ago and yes they are nails but cost a fooking fortune to run and maintain. If you have endless supplies of wonga then do it if not then bin the idea, sorry can,t be up more upbeat but i,m just being honest.

Cheers,
Honesty is most appreciated RM, thank you. Nope, no wads of spare wonga over here. There's a 101 on ebay with a 2.8 Isuzu diesel fitted. Is it mainly the running gear that is crap? Some 101s have the 3.5 V8 which is a cracking motor.
Hi again

Yes mine was fitted with 3.5 lump , that was fine it was everything else diffs axles wiring etc etc.

JUst one other thing to mention is are you looking at a 101 OR a forward control one ix ex mil the other errrr isnt.

Just a thought if the idea of buying one is get through the ole midlife crisis bit why not buy a BV206 , much better laugh and a damn site more reliable :D ( i didnt convince my boss to buy one :p )

Cheers

The man on telly
Thanks RM. I'm unsure of the difference betwen 101 and FC. (I thought they were the same thing, doh!) but I have noticed some differences when googling them etc. I will look into that. I'm keen on the ex mil. hospital thingy.

Before I go googling, what is a BV206? A Unimog of sorts?

PandaLOVE
do a google for bv206 hagglund , they are a real good laugh, the amout of times i drive into any water the onlookers chins are on the floor :D . just make sure the drain plugs are in 8O .
 
#11
used to drive one of these ( L/Rover 1 Tonne) back in the day (usually whilst towing a light gun!). Great fun hooning around the Plain when not towing said gun and 5 gun bunnies in the back, not too shabby offroad but will lift 1 or 2 wheels if your not too careful with the right foot & drank petrol like a Demented thirsty thing espeacialy when caned! If keeping the 3.5L Rover engine think about an LPG conversion ( approx £1000 fitted ) currently £0.55 a litre at Flowgas but available at quite widely these days.
Not too bad too maintain though getting at some parts on the engine can be pig! Some model specific parts getting scarce ( try owners clubs/registers) others ok to get from independent L/Rover garages (main dealers can charge an arm & a leg for some things!). Enjoy!! I certainly did :D

Apologies for the length of post!
 
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#12
jarrod248 said:
Hagglund no good as a mobile home despite how much fun they may be.
this is true but fooking good fun.
What about some of the ex russian gear a tatra or zil summit along those lines just a thought.

cheers,

The man on the telly
 
#13
Pinzgauer, ex-ambulance is the way to go. Portal axles and normally a bullet proof VW petrol or diesel lump. True 6x6 drive and hard as fcuking nails.

Do hate to say it, as the 101s have me nursing a semi really, really quickly; but by all accounts the Pinzs are the way to go
 
#14
The FC 101 is mechanically an early Range Rover.
Parts are plentiful and they are great fun. All V8's originally although diesel conversions are common.
The earlier Forward Control was the 11B with smaller engines and very underpowered. Very different to look at.
They are pretty capable off road but they do have a higher centre of gravity than standard Land Rovers. In original form the V8 is only around 90bhp in a 101 but very easily tuned.
Asides from running costs and maintenance associated with an old vehicle the only downside is a tendancy to fall over if pushed hard (adds to the fun)
Radio/Ambulance bodied ones are pretty top heavy and the GS with canvas top is much better to play with.

Great fun but not cheap to live with
 
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rogermellie said:
jarrod248 said:
Hagglund no good as a mobile home despite how much fun they may be.
this is true but fooking good fun.
What about some of the ex russian gear a tatra or zil summit along those lines just a thought.

cheers,

The man on the telly
Thanks to all for the useful stuff so far.

There was a Russian Zil on Ebay recently and someone in UK imports them to customer requirements. The big 6 litre V8 beast does just 3.6 mpg! As if the 'point' of a miles made any difference!

Looked up the BV206. There was a program earlier this week about Barbour, tartan and other English fashion icons and a high-falutin' chap on the program was driving a BV206. Lovely looking vehicle. Would they be thirsty on juice?
 
#16
crabby said:
Pinzgauer, ex-ambulance is the way to go. Portal axles and normally a bullet proof VW petrol or diesel lump. True 6x6 drive and hard as fcuking nails.

Do hate to say it, as the 101s have me nursing a semi really, really quickly; but by all accounts the Pinzs are the way to go
Seconde, I've never driven a 101 but I've been in one and thepg wins for comfort and sheer automatic fun hands down
 
#17
Although perfectly capable of road use the BV206 is expensive to run.
A mate has a petrol Pinzguar and reckons he get 16 mpg whichis probably better than a FC101
The 6x6 version of the Volvo Laplander (forget its name) is good off road and reasonable on road. I know of one that has had a GMC V8 diesel put in it and it transforms it into an animal!
Civil diesel Pinzguar's are very good and reasonably economical.
The Renault/Saviem 4x4 trucks aren't too bad but are horrendous on fuel and pretty horrible to drive on road.
The old baby Unimogs are pretty good, especially with a diesel in them (but slow)
 
#18
jagman said:
Although perfectly capable of road use the BV206 is expensive to run.
A mate has a petrol Pinzguar and reckons he get 16 mpg whichis probably better than a FC101
The 6x6 version of the Volvo Laplander (forget its name) is good off road and reasonable on road. I know of one that has had a GMC V8 diesel put in it and it transforms it into an animal!
Civil diesel Pinzguar's are very good and reasonably economical.
The Renault/Saviem 4x4 trucks aren't too bad but are horrendous on fuel and pretty horrible to drive on road.
The old baby Unimogs are pretty good, especially with a diesel in them (but slow)
I'll lookm those vehicles up jagman, thanks. And 16mpg is far better than I expected for any of these vehicles.
 
#19
Yours for half a million Euros :lol:

Nearly as nice as the jarrodmobile

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The people who I know who have converted Mogs have found them to be incredibly slow to get anywhere. The tyres make for a bum-numbing drive as well
A pal got hold of a Radiowagen Mog and then found that getting spares out of Mercedes UK was farcical.
I would suggest that if you are really serious about a large 4x4 then have a look at the Merc 917. They are affordable both to buy and to run.
Another one that is worthy of consideration is the VW LT40 There used to be a matey who got into Tarifa every year and he wandered around all over Africa in his.
Having said that, I have taken an ordinary 2 wheel drive LWB Transit around some pretty strange places.

and this from one of the SBMCCers

As jarrod says, it depends on what you want to do with the 4x4. If you want to sleep in it you're very limited in your choice. It's a choice between Iveco 4x4 (increasingly rare-certainly in the UK), Unimogs (needs very specialist mechanical expertise) or odd (and expensive) things like Bremachs or ex-military stuff like MJs or Daf 4x4s. The problem with the bigger stuff is that you will find you are limited to where you can go. There's the problem of driving down narrow tracks hoping you have space to turn round at the end as well as getting through small towns and villages. A lot of towns in France ban vehicles over 7.5 tonnes and some those over 3.5. There is also the problem of finding sites that will allow big vehicles to park up. I experienced all those problems on my recent 3 month trip in West Africa in my Merc which at 9 metres long was simply too big for sub-saharan Africa.

If you're looking for a 4x4 to travel in, if you want relability and strength there's only one vehicle that fits the bill and that's a Toyota Landcruiser. All the overlanders I met with TLCs had nothing but praise for them and they're as strong as old boots. Defenders (mostly 300tdis) and the like were also popular but not as well built and most had had problems.

If you're looking for a truck, look on mobile.de which has a huge range of the weird and wonderful on offer. That's where I got my Merc. But if you're after a truck/van you really need to ask the question 'do I really need a 4x4?' Very few occasions where you do. I met loads of people in Senegal who'd got there on some serious non-tarmac piste in ordinary vans and motorhomes.
 
#20
Ebay Pinz

Was the kind of thing I was talking about. A 6 wheel pinz, ex-ambulance. Should give you enough space and the headroom needed. Later examples would no doubt be more expensive, but I've only heard good things about the diesel versions and the off-road ability. Can also tow a fair amount too!
 

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