land of hope & glory

#1
Watching "the west wing" the other night and, at a graduation ceremony, the band was playing "Land of hope & glory". Is there anything significant about this song in the states?
 
#2
It's played at graduations of all types. High school, college etc.

I think the words are equally applicable to both countries.
 
#3
Not to be too much of an old rupert, but Land of Hope and Glory is the title of the lyrics written for Pomp and Circumstance (Op. 39: March 1 in D - to be precise). That's what they play at the graduation ceremonies. The lyrics were added later, and not written by Elgar, but Benson.

The Yanks have also got a bastardised version of "God Save the Queen."
Here's the lyrics:

My country, 'tis of thee
Sweet land of liberty, of thee I sing;
land where my fathers died, land of the pilgrims pride,
from ev'ry mountainside

Let Freedom Ring, let it's music resound throughout the nation.
Let it celebrate sweet liberty that is keeping us free and strong
Let Freedom Ring, and let everyone share its inspiration.

Let the promise not be satisfied until no one's denied its song
It's a dream to build upon.
We take the dream and pass it on (and on) and on (and on) and on

Let Freedom ring for the children of ev-ry generation]
May the love of freedom always ring and let everyone sing a long
It's a dream (it's a dream) to build upon.
We'll take the dream and pass it on (and on) and on (and on)
and let freedom sing, (Let freedom ring.)

Let freedom ring, for the children of ev'ry generation
May the love of freedom always ring; it has brought us this far (it has brought us this far)
it proclaims who we are (it proclaims who we are),
and together we sing, "Let freedom ring,"
(Peo-ple ev'rywhere, let freedom ring; people ev'rywhere let freedom ring
People all o-ver the world let freedom ring
People ev'rywhere let freedom ring People ev'ry where,
let freedom ring; people ev'rywhere let freedom ring,
People all over the world let freedom ring
People ev'rywhere let freedom ring,
people ev'rywhere let freedom ring

I still wonder how they can let freedom "ring". I mean, it's not a bloody phone...and if it were, wouldn't you pick it up?

Space out, dudes
 
#5
tell that to the Indians , for a while the bit in the consistution
" All men are created equal "
didn't apply to them :lol:
 
#7
semper said:
tell that to the Indians , for a while the bit in the consistution
" All men are created equal " didn't apply to them
Maoris, Aborigines, Sikhs, Hindus, Boers, Zulus, Arabs, Jews, Africans, Kurds, Pushtuns, Chinese...

I wonder who their oppressors were?
 
#8
Tracy-Paul said:
semper said:
tell that to the Indians , for a while the bit in the consistution
" All men are created equal " didn't apply to them
Maoris, Aborigines, Sikhs, Hindus, Boers, Zulus, Arabs, Jews, Africans, Kurds, Pushtuns, Chinese...

I wonder who their oppressors were?

Wonder were this is going......
 
#9
Maoris, Aborigines, Sikhs, Hindus, Boers, Zulus, Arabs, Jews, Africans, Kurds, Pushtuns, Chinese...
The Romans, you must mean the Romans!
No, seriously, I can't remember the Jews ever being oppressed by the British Empire. My ancestors fled to Scotland from France precisely because they were free of persecution there.

And don't give me Southern Syria/"Palestine". That was a UN mandate, and people like the Stern Gang were the first to use terror tactics against civilians in that region.

It's even quite ironic, really. That Vampire and opposition leader Michael Howard is a good Jewish bubi whose family fled the Nazis from Eastern Europe. Now, he wants to deny people like himself asylum if he comes to power by closing Britain to asylum seekers...
 
#10
For F sake can't Tracy-Paul get it right.

At least get in the right order. First was 1704 when we took Gib from the spicks good old Marlborough, then it was Aurangzeb followed by French Acadia in 1710.

Get your facts right you dizzy cow and your posts might have some credence.


a. The Maori war or Maori’s war of 1845/72- are you including the battle of the ‘Pas’ (my term for the local war but a general term for any Maori fort) where , when the British Empire troops ran out of ammunition the Maoris ran down giving their enemies (i.e. the British) ammunition as “they liked to fight”?

b. It’s well documented that the last Abo hunt was in the 1910’s so how come they are second? Should be last in any timeline.

Daft moo.
 
#11
the british empire abolished slavery 40 years before USA :D
 
#12
cheesypoptart said:
Maoris, Aborigines, Sikhs, Hindus, Boers, Zulus, Arabs, Jews, Africans, Kurds, Pushtuns, Chinese...
The Romans, you must mean the Romans!
No, seriously, I can't remember the Jews ever being oppressed by the British Empire. My ancestors fled to Scotland from France precisely because they were free of persecution there.

And don't give me Southern Syria/"Palestine". That was a UN mandate, and people like the Stern Gang were the first to use terror tactics against civilians in that region.

It's even quite ironic, really. That Vampire and opposition leader Michael Howard is a good Jewish bubi whose family fled the Nazis from Eastern Europe. Now, he wants to deny people like himself asylum if he comes to power by closing Britain to asylum seekers...
A closer look at English history will correct you. At various times we in England have murdered/persecuted the Jews after taking their money. De-Montford comes to mind and the burning of the Jews in York 1190.

http://www.bispham2.freeserve.co.uk/castles/york.htm

http://www.history.ac.uk/reviews/paper/robin.html

http://www.mauriceboddy.org.uk/mauriceboddy/Hertford.htm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/timelines/britain/mid_montforts.shtml
 
#13
semper said:
the british empire abolished slavery 40 years before USA :D
I think I remember something 3 or 4 years ago about a US state finally ratifying the anti slavery bill, began with an M I think?
 
#14
A closer look at English history will correct you. At various times we in England have murdered/persecuted the Jews after taking their money. De-Montford comes to mind and the burning of the Jews in York 1190.
Are you kidding? Everyone's had a go at the Jews sometime or other. By European standards, that's one of the best deals we've had. 800 years without getting burned at the stake, I can live with that!
Back in those days, only the Muslims were treating us right. How times change...
 
#15
old_bloke said:
For F sake can't Tracy-Paul get it right.

....Get your facts right you dizzy cow and your posts might have some credence...

...Should be last in any timeline.

Daft moo.
1. It wasn't a timeline. It was a list.

2. What's not right? No western civilization is innocent of oppressing or denying the rights of it's citizens or other indigent people. Singling out the USA and the Indians is a bit disingenuous; i.e. "The pot calling the kettle black."

3. True, we took a long time to ratify civil rights for all citizens; but I'll match our efforts and progress against anyone else's to date. More people come to our country because of that progress than leave it.

I'm not quite sure how to handle the "silly cow" remark, much of your slang still escapes me. However, in case my login name has something to do with that, I'd like to elaborate: I'm male. My wife, son and myself are all career military.
 
#16
Tracy-Paul said:
old_bloke said:
For F sake can't Tracy-Paul get it right.

....Get your facts right you dizzy cow and your posts might have some credence...

...Should be last in any timeline.

Daft moo.
1. It wasn't a timeline. It was a list.

2. What's not right? No western civilization is innocent of oppressing or denying the rights of it's citizens or other indigent people. Singling out the USA and the Indians is a bit disingenuous; i.e. "The pot calling the kettle black."

3. True, we took a long time to ratify civil rights for all citizens; but I'll match our efforts and progress against anyone else's to date. More people come to our country because of that progress than leave it.

I'm not quite sure how to handle the "silly cow" remark, much of your slang still escapes me. However, in case my login name has something to do with that, I'd like to elaborate: I'm male. My wife, son and myself are all career military.
I dont think it was a dig at the US. I really dont think many of the comparisons can be made regarding British Empire/US native situation.


True, we took a long time to ratify civil rights for all citizens; but I'll match our efforts and progress against anyone else's to date.
Dodgy ground with that one. It depends who you are matching it with.

More people come to our country because of that progress than leave it.
I think the 'dream of dosh' is the main selling point.

(Understanderble that people may thing you are a doris with a girly name like 'Tracy'. Is it just a weekend pseudonym? If so, Im sure Corporal will PM you for make up tips :roll: )
 
#17
The Lord Flasheart said:
...I think the 'dream of dosh' is the main selling point.

Understanderble that people may thing you are a doris with a girly name like 'Tracy'. Is it just a weekend pseudonym? If so, Im sure Corporal will PM you for make up tips.
Perchance is there a British-American Dictionary on this web site? Churchill certainly had it right when he said we're separated by a common language...

The name is not a weekend pseudonym. I was considering a clever moniker, but "Danger Mouse" was taken.
 
#18
I'm not sure what is worse, giving out your true identity to Arrse and hence the whole wide world or admitting your family hailed from Warrington. :wink:

Ps suggest you delete your name Tracy, there really are some nutters out there.
 
#19
'Dream of dosh'

The promise of money (dosh = money)



My ancestors emigrated from Warrington, England about 250 years ago.
A bleedin Manc!! :lol: (Manc = Manchester = Northern Chav Capital. Chav = trailer trash)

And Tracy is a girls name in the UK. I would suggest a 'clever name'. :wink:
 
#20
Awol said:
I'm not sure what is worse, giving out your true identity to Arrse and hence the whole wide world or admitting your family hailed from Warrington. :wink:
You can pick your friends, but you can't pick your relatives or origins.

Awol said:
Ps suggest you delete your name Tracy, there really are some nutters out there.
I'm known on the internet already, usually a 'Google' search will find a few references. Most recently I was featured with the Columbia Journalism Review and Police Magazine. As a software engineer now, I occasionally do pro-bono work finding the internet nutters and turn them over to the police.
 

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