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Discussion in 'Current Affairs, News and Analysis' started by Letterwritingman, Apr 8, 2005.

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  1. H&SW or more Institutional Racism?

    Courtesy of an online source

    The Telegraph said something remarkably similar to this!

    I hasten to remind people of a similar incident last year involving 2 sisters. Exception being they were white so no racial predjudice can be inferred and a 10 min response time to a firearms incident thats good...................didn't that family die despite the best efforts of their neighbour; who had already cleared the area?
     
  2. Nothing racial about it LWM

    It's the Broadwater Farm Estate, and some of the locals are better tooled up than the old Bill.
     
  3. Your quite right to point that out PTP.......so apart from the issue of accusations of insensitive policing, Racism (Ya know the perceived guns an' blacks etc), the actual hacking to death of a uniformed copper and to cap it all H&SW issues. the Police should have acted sooner?
     
  4. Before anyone gets too antsy about it, lets remember that one of the key considerations for us going to an incident is the possiblity of follow-on attacks.
     
  5. Just read it in the torygraph and from what i can make out, the MP is making the age old victims argument (which i sunderstandable but not correct), in that the police should have attended the scene straight away instead of waiting for 10mins 200yrds up the road before they came with paramedics. Granted it must have been intensly infuriating to watch them sit there for 10 mins while a guy is spilling blood in front of you.

    However, what people in those situations tend to forget (most likely through the whole trauma of the experience) is that as it was a firearms crime, the first officers on the scene would most likely not have firearms on board their car and as such would have been told to await and armed escort by trained firearms officers. This is simple health and safety procedure in order to prevent any further unnecessary injury or loss of life.

    Im just glad the vicitim did not die, otherwise i suspect the reaction would have been far worse.
     
  6. If we accept that the Police Force and emergency services are going to wait, then Mr Lamey had the option of driving the victim to them. I know there are implications of crime scene, disturbing the casualty etc - but if it stops him bleeding to death it ought to be considered.

    First rule of first aid is to remove the danger, if the Police think the most dangerous place is where the shooting occurred then moving the casualty is the right thing in medical terms.

    Shame all round, wonder why people want to shoot each other? - it's a funny old world.
     
  7. Personally I couldn't give a bollocks whether they blazed up blue lights flashing or waited a respectful period of mourning down the road...the real criticism is that this type of crime happens at all, in a country where ownership of hand-guns is meant to have been crudely and brutally stamped out. Starting with the British Olympic Team of course..a very nasty bunch obviously.

    Mr Lammy would however I feel sure have been as quick to rattle Sir ian's cage if some weeks prior to this armed police had stopped every BMW tooling around Broadwater Farm with "two-up", in a bid to locate and seize illegally held hand-guns. Have your cake or eat your cake but just make your mind up what you want - and then enable the poor old boys in blue to do the do...tough on ministers, tough on the causes of ministers.