Labour wants ex forces personnel to be Labour MPS

#1
Taken from todays independent (Jim Murphy: 'Unions must not block ex-forces MPs in Labour's ranks' - News, People - The Independent). I'm sure there is a whole list of ARRSERs who would just love to serve the party ;-)

Jim Murphy: 'Unions must not block ex-forces MPs in Labour's ranks'

Party's defence spokesman demands selection overhaul to address 'emotional disconnect' between party and military

By Matt Chorley, Political Correspondent


Sunday, 28 November 2010
Jim Murphy dismissed the 'stupid political analysis' that the Labour Party would look after the NHS while the Tories looked after the Army Veterans from Iraq and Afghanistan are to be recruited as Labour candidates at the next election under plans to address the party's "glaring gap" of military experience in the Commons.
Jim Murphy, the party's defence spokesman, said union influence over the selection of candidates in winnable seats is to be curtailed to "create a space" for former members of the armed forces. After 13 years in power – which saw military intervention Iraq, Afghanistan, Sierra Leone and Kosovo – there is "an emotional disconnect" between the Labour Party and the services, he said.

The intensity of military deployments, at times in the face of public opposition, had damaged the relationship between the two sides, he said, but insisted there is "no good reason" for the Tories to have "dozens" of MPs with military experience while Labour has only one, Falkirk's Eric Joyce.

He blamed the "nomadic" nature of life in the forces and the ban on its members joining unions for the lack of MPs with a military background within Labour. "I want to see a lot more candidates in winnable seats who have experience of being in the armed forces. It just brings something better and bigger to Parliament and to the Labour Party."

He dismissed the "stupid political analysis" that the Labour Party would look after the NHS while the Tories looked after the Army. "All Conservatives are patriots, but all patriots are not Conservatives." He noted how in the US "the military is an intrinsic part of the DNA of the nation" in a way it is not in Britain, and certainly not in the Labour Party.

In his first major interview since being appointed to the role, Murphy reveals that David Miliband had guaranteed him the defence brief in reward for his role as his leadership campaign manager, and that he was surprised when his brother, Ed, offered him the post after his September victory.

Murphy is "determined" Labour should overhaul the way its candidates are selected, while also using the space created by its policy review to develop a "deeper understanding of Islamic-inspired violence" which, he said, will continue to threaten Britain "for the rest of my life and my kids' lives".

"We know there isn't a military solution in Afghanistan," he said. By the time British troops withdraw there will have to have been a reconciliation between the Taliban and the democratically elected Afghan government. "But to have a sense of that reconciliation, you have to have a better understanding in terms of what is going to happen next in Afghanistan or elsewhere."

The 43-year-old Glaswegian said his only experience of the armed forces came as a schoolboy in South Africa, where he emigrated with his parents when he was 12. Conscription was still in place for white teenagers, but he refused. "It just wasn't my role to serve in the South African army."

He claimed "some serious mistakes are being made with the defence of the nation in the name of deficit reduction" by the coalition, which unveiled an 8 per cent cut over four years. The defence and security review "only scratched the surface" of the analysis needed of future threats, he added. He also held out the hope that the Government's order of aircraft "carriers without Harriers" could be reversed. However, he warned against Labour opposing everything as "an unthinking battering ram against the Government". "On defence, it is cheap and nasty to be opportunist for the sake of it," he said.

Murphy called Labour's 29 per cent share of the vote in May "pretty garbage", saying it had left the party "on the cusp of catastrophe". While Gordon Brown's government "captured the logic of the moment" and the need to rescue the economy, it was "silent on the emotion of the moment: the worry the fear, the hope". In the election, Labour was not forward-looking enough, he added.
 

OldSnowy

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#2
Yes, Eric Joyce is a shining example to all prospective Labour MPs - and to all Serving Soldiers :)

And if this MP thinks that "Gordon Brown's government "captured the logic of the moment" " then h'es even more insane than he appears.
 

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Murphy is one of the few Labour politicians that I would trust (in as much as one trusts any politician).

His take on Eric Joyce could be 'FFS surely Labour could come up with a better ex-serviceman than Joyce' What he has said and is trying to do is correct; Labour has lost touch with most of the common people in Britain if they only look to union members to stand for parliament. In this instance I support what he says.

I think there are many Arrsers who could stand as MPs in Labour garb, just think how an Arrse 5th Column within Labour could work!!

BTW, I am not a Labour supporter in any shape or form, but anything done to make parliament actually reflect the real life outside Westminster can only be for the good.
 
#4
Could it ever happen? Sadly all I read seems to indicate that we need "professional politicians" who know how to play the game in order to make the Westminster circus keep rolling along,and ultimately get things done.
 
#5
The three worst things that I can imagine happening to me:

Third Worst: Becoming addicted to eating dog faeces.

Second Worst: Being a convicted paedophile.

VERY WORST: Being associated with the Labour Party in ANY way whatsoever.
 
#6
Fight back the reflex to gag at being associated with Labour and think about what he's saying for a minute.

Would it be a bad thing to have more representatives across the political spectrum with military experience? Labour will be re-elected at some point and when that happens it would be better for the Armed Forces and the country if they had at least some MP's with a passing grasp of military life. Not every serviceman / ex serviceman is a conservative so better them in Parliament as Labour members than some rabid, union bred, left wing scrote.

Besides, the Tories like to wrap themselves up in the flag and talk a good game, but taken in the context of the last 30 years is that reputation in anyway justified or grounded in reality? I don't think it is and the default setting of 'Tory good' by many soldiers often seems to be born out of habit rather than analysis.

More people carrying the values imbued by military service into Westminster cannot be a bad thing. That's not to put ex-military folk up onto some saintly pedastal, but they are at least more likely to put country before self, a trait sadly lacking in the current crop of political pygmies.
 

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I,like my father before me am a true Labour supporter, but New Labour are farther from the the original concept of the labour movement than the bloody Tories , they have proved themselves to be nothing more than a bunch of untrustworthy, dishonest, sycophantic cnuts, who have completely destroyed what was once a good political concept, I for one would not want to be in the same room with such shite people, unless going Postal
 
#8
Unfortunately, the "grass-roots" of my party would rather see it become a hard-left, trot dominated, talking club then face up to the hard challenges of actually trying to run the country.....
 

udipur

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#9
Makes you wonder why there's a 'glaring gap of military experience' in the Labour party.

Could that be that people who are trained to analyse problems, reach practicable solutions swiftly and work selflessly for the greater good might find their calling in other parties?

Or could it be that wishy washy job creationist parties make the military lip curl just a little bit...?
 
#10
The three worst things that I can imagine happening to me:

Third Worst: Becoming addicted to eating dog faeces. You get used to it

Second Worst: Being a convicted paedophile. Try not to get convicted

VERY WORST: Being associated with the Labour Party in ANY way whatsoever. Point taken
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I,like my father before me am a true Labour supporter, but New Labour are farther from the the original concept of the labour movement than the bloody Tories , they have proved themselves to be nothing more than a bunch of untrustworthy, dishonest, sycophantic cnuts, who have completely destroyed what was once a good political concept, I for one would not want to be in the same room with such shite people, unless going Postal
Yup that's exactly the same as my view and why I won't vote for them.
 
#13
Murphy's only claimed connection with the armed forces is as a schoolboy and refusing to be conscripted into South African army. What is he on about?

I'm sure the article is selective about his comments however what is reported shows his complete un-suitabiliy for the brief, but as he admits he was only offered the job because of his campaigning role. Rewarded for his failure - how very New Labour! Still better than Joyce I suspect.
 
#14
They have identified a problem if they can resolve it would be a good thing.
not sure how they go about it though.
Just because your ex services does not make you a good politico but a few people who've been in DPM or dark blue
(obviously nobody wants the crabs anywhere in goverment:))

is a good thing in fact anything that gets more choice into the house than professional mp ,something in the city or a lawyer or trade union offical has to be a good thing.
 
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I'm from a typical Labour voting background & when young believed in the Labour = working folk & tories = toffs. I even believed in the miners' battles against the Police (although not in the coal at all costs mantra), particularly after a mate who was a copper and on almost permanent overtime told me of the tricks they used against the miners to get them to kick off. I was pleased as punch when TB took the Labour party to their general election victory but by the time they were at the end of the first stretch I witheld my vote as I couldn't believe how disappointed I was in what they'd done. By the end of the second term I vowed I'd never vote for Labour again whilst the Labour Party were still infected by the mentality of rape those working to support those who won't (not can't) and their ever increasing support for the illegal & economic migrants to my country.

I'd love to be a Labour MP but at my age I'm unlikely to see the flushing of the Labour Party Liberals & Far Left lunatics it needs to encourage me to even join the Labour Party let alone attempt to stand as an MP.
 
#16
Before my time but I believe this also happened in the ´60´s,that Parliament wanted some Officers to become politicians to address an imbalance there,one QDG officer went off to Westminster when they were stationed in Omagh but I can´t remember his name?

Any older QDG,s out there who remember him?

IMHO,I think New Labour´s totally lost the plot and can´t really imagine ex soldiers queing up to join them unless It´s to turn them around from the inside.
 

jim24

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#17
Before my time but I believe this also happened in the ´60´s,that Parliament wanted some Officers to become politicians to address an imbalance there,one QDG officer went off to Westminster when they were stationed in Omagh but I can´t remember his name?

Any older QDG,s out there who remember him?

IMHO,I think New Labour´s totally lost the plot and can´t really imagine ex soldiers queing up to join them unless It´s to turn them around from the inside.
Major Michael Mates, his son is a news reader, Lord Brookbrough and Lord Glenarther are both also ex cav
 
#18
I wonder just how far my application for MP would get, in the Labour party. Let me look at some of my policies

1. Bring back hanging - 100% from the public, unlikely to get Labour support
2. get out of Europe - overwhelming support from the public, unlkely .........etc
3. Stop immigration - overwhelming support apart from the illegals, unlikely .......etc
4. Kick out all illegals, pikeys etc - overwhelming ....., unlikely etc etc
5. publicly execute the leader of the RMT union and ALL left-wind agitators- good idea, unlikely... etc etc
6. reduce alcohol tax - 100 % etc, likely 100% etc
7. Prison means hard labour - 100% apart from, of course, the criminal element, unlikely....etc etc
8. Send Blair and Mugabe to the International Criminal Court - 110% support, unikely, although ......

Do I need to go on.... no real point in applying is there.

Nurse !!! pills !!!
 
#19
I don't know any ex-servicemen who would prostitute themselves by becoming an MP of the Labour party in it guise of the last 14 years or so ........... stand fast the odd one or two puppets on this website!
 
#20
Jim Murphy: 'Unions must not block ex-forces MPs in Labour's ranks'
And in other news:-

Ancient Mariner: "Police must not stop me slipping Rohypnol into Bacardi Breezers on student night at my local."

You don't understand the new politics, do you Jim? All that stands between the Labour Party and bankruptcy is union money, overwhelmingly from Unite. The unions own the Labour party and now that the party can't pay its dues with the Union Modernisation Fund and pro-union legislation, other forms of payment will have to be found. I can see shadow cabinet ministers being "invited" to turn up on picket lines during the forthcoming strikes. I can see Red Ed having his conference speech written for him by Unite's PR department. I can see even more spiky haired lesbian Unite officers being parachuted into safe Labour seats rather than blokes who have been parachuted in a more literal sense.



He blamed the "nomadic" nature of life in the forces and the ban on its members joining unions for the lack of MPs with a military background within Labour.
Or could it be something to do with:-

Lying about WMDs

Sending under equipped troops to Iraq on the basis of that lie.

Abandoning those troops to die in unarmoured vehicles while buying Cherie Blair a chauffeur driven, armoured limmo of her very own.

Sending spin doctors in to run the war. I saw a colonel getting a bollocking in front of his subordinates from a 22 year old Labour "media officer"

Paying witnesses to give evidence against British soldiers at courts martial.

The piece de resistance was allowing the class war brigade free rein to organise a witch hunt to get a senior officer convicted of war crimes.

What's not to like in that lot?
 

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