Labour to lose General Election?

#1
I was browsing the BBC web site and looking at the election info. Anyway as most people know they on occasions invite viewer comment. Well if you go over there and look at the balance of opinion it appears as if people really have gone off labour and swung across to the Tories again. Take a look http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/vote_2005/have_your_say/4419733.stm

There may be a very real chance of booting these unscrupulous lying chancers out. :D
 
#3
As an aside, it's interesting to see that the Labour Party and their supporters still harp back to Thatcherism and previous Tory govts. They have conveniently forgotten Labour's glorious past under Wilson et al. The Labour Party still has front benchers groomed under old socialism; does a leopard ever really change its spots?

The fact that Gordon Brown inherited a very stable economy in an internationally benign econmic environment is often missed by them; it would have been hard for him to get it wrong!

It's good to see that there will be more competition in the polls this time; British politics tends to be cyclical and it would seem the tide is turning. A more interesting election is in the offing this time around.
 
#4
Also using the results of the one big vote site in the BBCs seat calculator it shows a labour collapse.

LAB 176
CON 371
LIB DEM 68
OTH 31

I'm feeling quite chirpy today knowing that. :D
 
#5
Tory majority of 100-odd would make things interesting, particularly if they come through on some of their promises for the defence budget.

On the other hand, hope is oft but the first step on the road to disappointment.
 
#6
Very true.

I wouldn’t count on a great deal from the Tories should they indeed win – however I suspect it could not be as bad as this current lot.

I cannot see anything they have done in the past 8 years that has improved things in this once great country. I for one will be voting Conservative on the day – well my Dad will be, by proxy because I’m in Australia and it’s a long way to go…. :)
 
#7
Ord_Sgt said:
Very true.

I wouldn’t count on a great deal from the Tories should they indeed win – however I suspect it could not be as bad as this current lot.
Your having a laugh? Say goodbye to public services, hello tax hikes, welcome back Mr boom and bust. M Howard has a much Charisma as a dead toad (and olly letwins figures make good reading! :0) Don't forget The tory defence cuts of the early 90's, make the last lot look tiny. Sure there's some lying cnuts in this govt, but the Tories!! makes me shiver..............and laugh :p
 
#8
Cpl_ripper said:
Don't forget The tory defence cuts of the early 90's, make the last lot look tiny.
I'm a Tory supporter, but I mentioned that in the thread on defence policy statements. The Tories started the defence cuts in response to / taking advantage of the perceived post-Cold War 'peace dividend' but under the Labour governments these cuts have been deeper and occurred faster.
 
#9
Ord_Sgt is right - they've done nothing in 8 years except massively boost the number of state sector non jobs. Everything else they've touched they've harmed (and taken taken pleasure in it).

Labour were full of promises 8 years ago "tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime" and "think the unthinkable on welfare reform" are two straplines that should haunt them. Crime and fear of crime are significantly worse after 8 years and welfare needs an axe taking to it - income tax raised 136 bn for the Govt in 2003 - and they spent 161 bn on benefits (not including pension!!!!) Every penny we pay in income tax is going to pay someone's giro. A 2% cut in benefits payments would give the conservatives plenty of room for tax cuts.

Labour keep suggesting that tax cuts equals cuts in public services - does it buggery. Health, education and defence spending combined gets nowhere near the amount spent on benefits.
 
#10
Cpl_ripper said:
Ord_Sgt said:
Very true.

I wouldn’t count on a great deal from the Tories should they indeed win – however I suspect it could not be as bad as this current lot.
Your having a laugh? Say goodbye to public services, hello tax hikes, welcome back Mr boom and bust. M Howard has a much Charisma as a dead toad (and olly letwins figures make good reading! :0) Don't forget The tory defence cuts of the early 90's, make the last lot look tiny. Sure there's some lying cnuts in this govt, but the Tories!! makes me shiver..............and laugh :p
Are you on benefits? Do think blatent lying to the public is a good thing? Are you of the mindset that thinks that totally disregarding the publics views and opinions are a good thing? Vote Labour then. Me? I'll vote Conservative, not because I like them, but because it will be the only chance that we have to get rid of liars in high office.
P.S. The UK under brown wiould be an utter nightmare. Remember there are only two classes these days, working and benefit. Guess who pays for who? As Norman Tebbiot once said 'Get on your bikes....'
 
#12
It is nice to see that there is a positive buzz in the blue camp and I really do hope they can get BLair out. However, I just get the feeling that the scale of the task facing Mr Howard will be too much this time. I can see Labour caming in with still a 50+ majority and Brown being PM in the next 2 years (after a hostile leadership battle with BLair).

I ask the people of Great Britain to prove me wrong and get rid of this bunch of cheating to$$ers.
 
#14
I have political affiliations, I am i understand now a golden voter, but under the Tories I was made redundent twice, lost my own business, set up under Tory advice, and was made homeless. After seeing the Tory manifesto launch I canoot see how the maths add up.
 
#15
Hackle, I understand the possible outcomes, yet still get a feeling we shall see no change. A hung parliment would be a disaster as party politics and the whip would mean that nothing would get through. would be nice to think that a hung parliment would enable sensible laws to be passed by MPs actually believing in the issue and not just following the Fuhrerprincip.
 
#16
A tiny Labour majority, a hung parliament, a small Tory majority - these are all outcomes that will suit me as they will lead to Bliar packing his bags on May 6th!

This last government has treated parliament with contempt using its large majority and supine backbenchers.
 
#17
There is no chance of Labour losing this election for the simple reason that there are minimal swing voters to win due to voter apathy and perceived economic stability. So low is the turnout that most parties are down to their absolute core vote already - any swing voters are likely to head more to the Lib dems (as they did in 2001) as they are not part of the "established" parties of government.

The Conservatives will pick up a few swing voters and will get 200 seats on their best day if they are successful in mobilising their vote and if the turnout is as low as expected. They have nothing like the poll lead at this stage to indicate victory.

What it boils down to is that apolitical, non-party affiliated Joe Bloggs has no reason to change his floating vote from Labour to the Tories. It's all about the economy - inflation is low, unemployment is low, and he hasn't felt the bite in his pocket. As long as the economy remains stable, with no job losses, Joe Bloggs will stick with the current party of government - regardless of how awful they are on other levels. Never mind the fact he's about to get kicked in the crotch with tax hikes, and Labour's massive tax and spend plans have shown little or no improvement in public services, and that Blair is a liar - his pocket is ok, so he will vote for the status quo. Never mind that the housing market has been artifically propped up, or that Gordon Brown has borrowed far more than he can repay on current tax levels, or that interest rates and tax rates are going to start rocketing when the hounsing bubble bursts - the average chap on the street is too daft to realise this.

The Arfur prediction:

Labour 363
Conservative 195
Lib Dem 60
 
#18
or possibly joe bloggs can see labour is basically working and the torys still are not that great.
any elections won or lost
do people vote for policys or just want to get rid of the incumbants.
the torys were loathed last time round
I don't think people loathe tony enough this time round
 
#19
It's amazing that Labour claims credit for low interest rates & low inflation - this is also true of the whole Eurozone and the US during the same period. Should they also claim responsibility for that?

The period of boom & bust in the UK was also similar in Europe too - should they blame the Tories for that?

Your average middle-class family is, I believe, 5k worse off since 1997, due to tax rises. This is the group of people who were wooed away from the Tories to vote Neue Arbeit in 1997, and who I believe will now rush back to vote Tory again.

This election campaign has already been marred by lies & half-truths from Neue Arbeit, for instance equating spending cuts with cuts in services, and calling increasing spending at a lower rate a "cut". I'm surprised that the Tories were so conservative with their cut prediction - only 4bn! The Adam Smith Institute added up the salaries of all the pubilc sector non-jobs (wft is a "real nappy coordinator", and what do they do for their 20k?)advertised in the Guardian over a year, and the annual wage bill for this came to 850M. If you include the pensions and other perks, it's over 1Bn! And Labour have been doing this for a good few years!

Let's have a look at their pledges:

1. Your family better off
2. Your child achieving more
3. Your children with the best start
4. Your family treated better and faster
5. Your community safer
6. Your country's borders protected

1. Unless you're middle-class
2. i.e. grade inflation, and still insisting that children should not be taught Phonics properly
3. I think this is a reference to the L250 bribe for new babies
4. a reference to waiting lists, which we all know is bollox - the stats are maniplated by having "holding lists" to get on the "waiting list"
5. Look at the record!
6. Ditto!

So it's all a load of crap. Their latest poster attacks the Tories on the job losses in the 80s, which were due in part to the European economy as a whole having a bit of a downturn, and the result of the previous Labour administration's disasterous policies.

It's a sad indictment of the government that they are fighting this campaign on the record of a previous Tory govt 20 years ago and not on their own record of the past 8 years. Dispicable!
 
#20
In that case, I am not one of the people. I hate this lot with a passion.

I agree with Arfur. As long as your average punter can't see the teerible truth, he will not look for it. He is happy to read his tabloid and know nothing of the lies and underhand politics of this government.
 

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