Labour Party...do you think that they are Good for Britain?

#2
Steady on – you’ll have SVEN on in a minute saying why the Labour Party are wonderful and have only been led down the garden path by that “horrible little man” Blair. Otherwise they are the most lovey dovey sort of people you would want to have at dinner! :lol:

Bollo*ks – as I said yesterday they could teach the old communist part a thing or two about control! :roll:
 

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#3
I know most MP's practise the black art of failling to tell the truth but this lot stand up in the House and lie and nobody has the balls to take the necessary action against them. There is not an MP worth the sarary and allowances being paid to them and now we are going to give them another 60%. WTF is this country coming to when we are unable to control these lying sponging good for nothing arrsee bandits.
 
#4
Well if you look at how many people view some of the threads here on ARRSE, thousands!!

If everyone had a legitimate question for why the labour party are so crap and sent them an e-mail as I did questioning Prescotts spending on a new office sign, and Becketts incompetence when answering a simple question, it would probably block their e-mail system up, someone then might actually take a look at why this has happened, then T BLiar can deny it all as he does with anything which is unsavoury to his pretty little ears
 
#7
e-mail to new Liarbour

Dear Labour Party

I notice on your list of 50 acheivements from your website that number 47 states that "Cancer death rates down by 12 per cent, saving 43,000 lives"

Does that mean that the Labour Party has discovered new cures for cancer, or that by some miracle the labour party has intervened in the way pre-cancer cells mutate into full blown cancer.

Please congratulate Mr Tony BLiar on his wonderfull acheivement

regards

Geo*** ********
 
#8
Dear oh dear. You obviously haven't read and taken in the wonderful comment in today's Guardian: "Whatever the Brownites say, history will judge Blair as a political colossus", by Anthony Seldon.

(It really, actually made me feel ill).
 

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#9
There may still be some use for the Labour party, long term that is. I always like to cite the British democratic principle that one parliament may not bind a subsequent parliament. In reality this happens all the time; one might even say that the habitus at play effects foreign policy, and thus following parliaments have no choice but to cling to previous foreign policy. However for the wise there occurs a point at which a wrong turn has obviously been made and only the most bullish and foolhardy do not retrace their steps and return the part in the road. Tony Blair is exactly such a fool. He was asked some years ago in interview what he thought a young Tony Blair would think of PM Blair, to which he jovially replied 'probably ashamed.' Good answer Tony.

As to the Labour party proper, I think they may yet still be of use to the UK. As China moves away from Maoism, and the Labour party remember their Fabian roots, they will probably be well suited to sit again as the government of the day just as China becomes the dominant economy. Their ideologies should by my calculation not be too far apart by that point in the C21st.
 
#10
This people of this country have had the government they deserve.
Blair will go down in history as an incompetent warmongerer, media whore, lapdog and liar.
His legacy is a world less safe and the realisation of George Orwell's greatest fears for our society (Only about 20 years late!).

Hopefully the electorate will wake up next time.
 

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#11
Keyboardwarrior said:
This people of this country have had the government they deserve.
Blair will go down in history as an incompetent warmongerer, media whore, lapdog and liar.
His legacy is a world less safe and the realisation of George Orwell's greatest fears for our society (Only about 20 years late!).

Hopefully the electorate will wake up next time.
Time to make voting compulsory and for a proper look at the electoral system.
 
#12
rubicon said:
Steady on – you’ll have SVEN on in a minute saying why the Labour Party are wonderful and have only been led down the garden path by that “horrible little man” Blair. Otherwise they are the most lovey dovey sort of people you would want to have at dinner! :lol:

Bollo*ks – as I said yesterday they could teach the old communist part a thing or two about control! :roll:
For someone who has posted only 47 times in over 2 years You claim to know me well :roll:

However, to answer the question - some goodthings, some bad.

For instance

I am a school governor - My school has done really well from the Labour government and is set to do so again in the next budget. The job of Headteacher and teaching IS more involved but we are not struggling financially.

As I have posted before, I have experienced the NHS all over Britain and compared to when I first got my brain desease in 1990 I get EXTREMELY competent and professional treatment as do my immediate and extended family.

The economy - nuff said.

NOW

This government is trying to turn the UK into a police state. Kow towing to them frequently and try9ing to give them ever unseemly power they demand.

Following on from the above - the eroding of civil liberties is disgraceful.

Blair and Bush totally screwed up Post War Iraq.



All in all - I would give them 6 out of 10 and look forward to their walking out of the door at Number 10 and the Lib Dems walking in
 
#13
Sven said:
As I have posted before, I have experienced the NHS all over Britain and compared to when I first got my brain desease in 1990 I get EXTREMELY competent and professional treatment as do my immediate and extended family.
Your standards are clearly low. Take a look at the latest Health Commission results - Harrogate gets an 'excellent' in all respects, while your beloved Airedale General only gets 'fair'. But perhaps I should not criticise - like many patients (I hate 'service users'), how can you be in a position to judge? You did not know of the existence of A&E as a speciality, for example, so how can what you say about the NHS be anything other than entirely subjective.
 
#14
Agree with you Sven.

It should be remembered that they replaced a government whose serial incompetence would have even outshone these guys. Like most governments, they started off OK and then lost the plot and got power-crazed.

Six out of ten. The Iraq thing is his biggest failure. I often wonder just how much of our involvement in Iraq is down to the shock that the British establishment got from realising the damage done to our relationship with Uncle Sam by the way we copped out over Bosnia.
 
#15
Sven said:
All in all - I would give them 6 out of 10 and look forward to their walking out of the door at Number 10 and the Lib Dems walking in
What sun is your planet orbiting? Admittedly the libdems have got Lembit hoofing one up a cheeky girl (makes a change for a Libdem to be outed as hetero, I just assumed that as he was a member of the Party and single he must be a whoopsie. Will he be required to give an apology for letting the side down?), but other than that what the hell have they got to offer the UK?

Ming the Personalitiless?

But at least they aren't Neue Arbeit.

6/10? Presumably that's a figure arrived at after Gordon's "mighty intellect" has massaged the figures, so actually three of the points have already been announced previously.

3/10? Overly generous, methinks...
 

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Sven said:
All in all - I would give them 6 out of 10 and look forward to their walking out of the door at Number 10 and the Lib Dems walking in
I don't know Sven, my bet is for a hung Double Whiskey.
 
#17
Keyboardwarrior said:
This people of this country have had the government they deserve.
no we haven't

I along with most of the population in England did not vote for Blair

only the rabid socialistic bucky-drinkers north of the border keep the Mong King in power

vive la revolution

blair a la lanterne
 
#18
codbutt said:
Agree with you Sven.

It should be remembered that they replaced a government whose serial incompetence would have even outshone these guys. Like most governments, they started off OK and then lost the plot and got power-crazed.
Incompetence is easier to forgive - incompetance coupled with deceit is more difficult to stomach and forget, specially when delivered with a smarmy grin.

As for achievements - of the top of my head ( without referring to published propaganda (funded by the tax payer and various new Lords))

1) Iraq
2) Afghanistan
3) Destroying the pensions of most people working today
4) Banning hunting with hounds
5) And 3000 odd other bits and pieces where ignorance will be no excuse.
 
#19
heres their list of achievements

1. Longest period of sustained low inflation since the 60s
2. Low mortgage rates
3. Introduced the National Minimum Wage and raised it to £5.35
4. Record police numbers in England, Scotland and Wales
5. Cut overall crime by 35 per cent
6. Record levels of literacy and numeracy in schools
7. Best-ever primary school results
8. Funding for every pupil in England to double by 2008
9. Employment is at its highest level ever
10. Written off up to 100 per cent of debt owed by poorest countries
11. 85,000 more nurses
12. 32,000 more doctors
13. Brought back matrons to hospital wards
14. Devolved power to the Scottish Parliament
15. Devolved power to Welsh Assembly
16. Dads now get paternity leave of 2 weeks for the first time
17. NHS Direct offering free convenient patient advice
18. Gift aid was worth £625 million to charities last year
19. Restored city-wide government to London
20. Record number of students in higher education
21. Child benefit up 25 per cent since 1997
22. Created Sure Start to help children from low income households
23. Introduced the Disability Rights Commission
24. £200 winter fuel payment to pensioners & extra £100 for over-80s
25. On course to exceed the Kyoto target to reduce greenhouse gas emissions by 2010
26. Negotiated the historic Good Friday Agreement in Northern Ireland
27. Over 30,000 more teachers in England schools
28. All workers now have a right to 4 weeks’ paid holiday
29. A million pensioners lifted out of relative poverty
30. 800,000 children lifted out of relative poverty
31. Introduced child tax credit giving more money to parents
32. Scrapped Section 28 and introduced Civil Partnerships
33. Brought over 1 million social homes up to standard
34. Free school milk for five, six and seven-year-olds in Wales
35. Banned fox hunting
36. Cleanest rivers, beaches, drinking water and air since the industrial revolution
37. Free TV licences for over-75s
38. Banned fur farming and the testing of cosmetics on animals
39. Waiting times for operations halved
40. Free local bus travel for over-60s
41. New Deal - helped over a million people into work
42. Over 1.5 million child trust funds have been started
43. Free eye test for over 60s
44. Five, six and seven year olds in class sizes of 30 or less
45. Free entry to national museums and galleries
46. Overseas aid budget more than doubled
47. Cancer death rates down by 12 per cent, saving 43,000 lives
48. Cut long-term youth unemployment by 75 per cent
49. Free nursery places for three and four-year-olds in England, Scotland and Wales
50. Free fruit for all four to six-year-olds at school

some of these just sound like spin, some of them dont even affect the people of Britain i.e writing off debts owed by poor countries benefits them not us.

I cant help feeling that since 1997 the cost of living in the UK has just got more and more expensive, and regardless of what they say we still have the highest levels of child poverty in the west, we have the highest levels of teenage pregnancies in the west, we have the highest personal debts rates in the west, the number of bankruptcies just seems to be rising, the list goes on

Ok can 'NEW' conservativism do any better I doubt it, neither can the Lib Dems, if they ever got in power they would be shell shocked, the only answer to me would be a hung parliament!!
 
#20
Yellow_Devil said:
Keyboardwarrior said:
This people of this country have had the government they deserve.
no we haven't

I along with most of the population in England did not vote for Blair

only the rabid socialistic bucky-drinkers north of the border keep the Mong King in power

vive la revolution

blair a la lanterne
It was the fact that so many English voters actually chose Dear Leader Tone and Nulabour that got him and his bunch into power and have consistantly kept him there for 2 more elections. Do you really in that small mind think that 50 million votes counts for less than 5 million.

Grow up.



Peter
 

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