Labour MP in "being sensible" shock

#3
Sensible comment, reasonable opinions, He'll disappear into room 101 in the blink of an eye!
 
#5
He makes some sound points here and he hits the nail on the head by stating that it's not the strategy that counts, it's the implementation of that strategy that counts.

This is but the tip of the iceberg in the issues that face the government in reshaping the feckless society that we live in but it is a small step in the right direction.

I wish, however, that he had spellchecked the document and checked its grammar.
 
#6
dave8307 said:
....well, this guy has owned up to Liarbors inadequences:

http://www.tomharris.org.uk/2009/03/04/the-return-of-morality/

....didn't Frank Field get sacked for raising a similar point???
A good peice from a man who could be accused of having a bit of common dog at times.

I wont go into his past mistakes (altough his towing of the party policical line has seen him come unstuck on his own blog).

He is of course entirely correct,IMHO,in his sentiment.

However coming out with this at the tail end of over a decade of his party possitively encouraging a client state rings of too little too late.

Good effort Tom and I wish there were more like you,but where were you ten years ago?
 
#7
From what I can see he's saying being an unemployed teenage mum is wrong. And it is.

But the problem he says is that it's the only way these girls can get their own pad and an income... and the solution is er, parenting classes for all? That'll work then, will it? Good on him for having the balls to say it's wrong, but as for sorting things out he's got no more clue than the rest of us.
 
#8
I feel he may be voted out in the next election. He obviously lives in an area where he is likely to be reviled for his opinions...
 
#9
Bert_Preast said:
From what I can see he's saying being an unemployed teenage mum is wrong. And it is.

But the problem he says is that it's the only way these girls can get their own pad and an income... and the solution is er, parenting classes for all? That'll work then, will it? Good on him for having the balls to say it's wrong, but as for sorting things out he's got no more clue than the rest of us.
Theres only one way to sort it out, and its a multiple stage process:

1. Create jobs by preventing unskilled immigrant workers from coming in.
2. Create an alternative to school by providing real alternative qaulifications (carpentry, pluming, etc. not ridiculous NVQs). Allow people to transfer from standard track schooling at about the age of 14.
3. Start paying unemployment benefits by the day, so people can't hold a normal job as well.
4. Start gradually reducing benefits to encourage people back into work as the jobs open up.
5. Start zero-tolerance policing so that crime and violence cannot be pastimes for the benefits-class. This will also improve standards nationwide, although middle class motorists will probably get a bit unhappy.
6. Stop paying massive benefits to single parents.
7. Stop giving increased child benefit for each new child. A flat rate for each parent would stop excessively large benefit-class families.
8. Retire from government content in the knowledge that you are the best national leader since Churchill.
 
#10
A decent article, I'm suprised a Labour MP has got such a realistic opinion. I can definately see some resentment coming from his constituents who are like he described.
 
#11
jew_unit said:
Bert_Preast said:
From what I can see he's saying being an unemployed teenage mum is wrong. And it is.

But the problem he says is that it's the only way these girls can get their own pad and an income... and the solution is er, parenting classes for all? That'll work then, will it? Good on him for having the balls to say it's wrong, but as for sorting things out he's got no more clue than the rest of us.
Theres only one way to sort it out, and its a multiple stage process:

1. Create jobs by preventing unskilled immigrant workers from coming in.
2. Create an alternative to school by providing real alternative qaulifications (carpentry, pluming, etc. not ridiculous NVQs). Allow people to transfer from standard track schooling at about the age of 14.
3. Start paying unemployment benefits by the day, so people can't hold a normal job as well.
4. Start gradually reducing benefits to encourage people back into work as the jobs open up.
5. Start zero-tolerance policing so that crime and violence cannot be pastimes for the benefits-class. This will also improve standards nationwide, although middle class motorists will probably get a bit unhappy.
6. Stop paying massive benefits to single parents.
7. Stop giving increased child benefit for each new child. A flat rate for each parent would stop excessively large benefit-class families.
8. Retire from government content in the knowledge that you are the best national leader since Churchill.
With you on all those except number 5.

I'll add another as well, to deal with EU migrants who decide the UK is a soft touch. In Spain you get no benefits until you've held a job and paid your taxes for 12 months.
 
#12
Bert_Preast said:
jew_unit said:
Bert_Preast said:
From what I can see he's saying being an unemployed teenage mum is wrong. And it is.

But the problem he says is that it's the only way these girls can get their own pad and an income... and the solution is er, parenting classes for all? That'll work then, will it? Good on him for having the balls to say it's wrong, but as for sorting things out he's got no more clue than the rest of us.
Theres only one way to sort it out, and its a multiple stage process:

1. Create jobs by preventing unskilled immigrant workers from coming in.
2. Create an alternative to school by providing real alternative qaulifications (carpentry, pluming, etc. not ridiculous NVQs). Allow people to transfer from standard track schooling at about the age of 14.
3. Start paying unemployment benefits by the day, so people can't hold a normal job as well.
4. Start gradually reducing benefits to encourage people back into work as the jobs open up.
5. Start zero-tolerance policing so that crime and violence cannot be pastimes for the benefits-class. This will also improve standards nationwide, although middle class motorists will probably get a bit unhappy.
6. Stop paying massive benefits to single parents.
7. Stop giving increased child benefit for each new child. A flat rate for each parent would stop excessively large benefit-class families.
8. Retire from government content in the knowledge that you are the best national leader since Churchill.
With you on all those except number 5.

I'll add another as well, to deal with EU migrants who decide the UK is a soft touch. In Spain you get no benefits until you've held a job and paid your taxes for 12 months.
I would also suggest that 7 needs a look at.

I would like to see benefits halted on ANY additional children.If a mother wants more kids then why should we pay for it?

Let her raise her first to an age where she no longer has to dote on it and if she wants more then she can get out and graft to support it.If you cant support your child then why should we be expected to?

The longer we encourage this type of lifestyle the longer it will go on,to the detriment of us all.

If I cant afford a car I dont buy one and expect the taxpayer to bail me out when I default on payment,I simply go without.

Right now I have got that off of my chest Im just popping off to drown some kittens in baby seal blood.
 
#13
I enjoyed reading that, I guess everyone has a Jerry McGuire moment, and that was his...
 
#14
The problem is that a lot of these people view unskilled service jobs such as working in fast food outlets and cleaning as beneath them. I get great entertainment listening the the great unwashed complaining in the pub about all the immigrants coming over and stealing THEIR jobs when the vast majority are unemployed and haven't worked in years.
 
#15
Cross the floor of the House young man.

Common sense and ZANU Nu Liarbour do not sit easily together. He will be hammered by 'Stalin' when the ogre like poltroon returns from America.
 
#16
It's just an indication that Browns previous iron grip on the Labour party is weakening, MP's no longer fear him and so feel free to speak their minds.
 
#17
lsquared said:
Cross the floor of the House young man.

Common sense and ZANU Nu Liarbour do not sit easily together. He will be hammered by 'Stalin' when the ogre like poltroon returns from America.
That is the impression I got from the piece.

Unfortunately for all of Tom's new found common sense I feel that your lot would do well to stay well clear.

They work for you Tom Harris voting record.

As I said if the guy had had the courage of his convictions 10 years ago I may felt differently.

He is utterly tainted.
 
#18
insert-coin-here said:
lsquared said:
Cross the floor of the House young man.

Common sense and ZANU Nu Liarbour do not sit easily together. He will be hammered by 'Stalin' when the ogre like poltroon returns from America.
That is the impression I got from the piece.

Unfortunately for all of Tom's new found common sense I feel that your lot would do well to stay well clear.

They work for you Tom Harris voting record.

As I said if the guy had had the courage of his convictions 10 years ago I may felt differently.

He is utterly tainted.
From the link: Hardly ever rebels against their party in this parliament.
 
#19
insert-coin-here said:
lsquared said:
Cross the floor of the House young man.

Common sense and ZANU Nu Liarbour do not sit easily together. He will be hammered by 'Stalin' when the ogre like poltroon returns from America.
That is the impression I got from the piece.

Unfortunately for all of Tom's new found common sense I feel that your lot would do well to stay well clear.

They work for you Tom Harris voting record.

As I said if the guy had had the courage of his convictions 10 years ago I may felt differently.

He is utterly tainted.
Spot on.

Expect to see a lot more of this as the cynical opportunists and parasites that comprise New Labour scramble to position themselves to get a job outside Parliament in the near future. It's going to get a lot uglier.
 
#20
insert-coin-here said:
I would like to see benefits halted on ANY additional children.If a mother wants more kids then why should we pay for it?
That would put us in a difficult place. Some folks would continue to breed like rabbits even if they had no money to support the kids. We'd be in a position where we either leave babies to starve or take them in to care.

I'd propose a multi-pronged approach:-

First, stop giving single mums an automatic, free council house. Mum can share her bedroom with the baby and the 29 year old granny can help with the upbringing. In cases of genuine homelessness, some sort of hostel accommodation would be preferable to dumping a sixteen year old girl on a council estate.

Second, make benefits conditional on having long term contraceptive implants. As the quick release knickers brigade can't seem to remember to take the pill each day, getting an injection every three months at the doctors seems to be the ideal solution. This works well in America and providing some Bacardi vouchers each time the implant is injected would no doubt resolve any 'umin rights innit' issues.

Thirdly, start prosecuting boys who impregnate under age girls. Alfie might have kept his undropped bolleaux inside his school trousers if the thought of a trip to court with his mum to become a convicted sex offender at 13 was foremost in his mind. Adult men who get their pork swords out for under-age girls should be done for rape.

Fourthly, pursue the fathers relentlessly for the cost of keeping their offspring. Read one of the police blogs a while ago where a copper described a local gang leader fathering over 40 kids with a harem of his 'bitches' in the manner of the dominant male in a pack of animals. DNA should be taken from kids whose mothers claim child benefit and compared with the police DNA database to identify the fathers. No doubt the number of condoms shop lifted out of chemists' shops would go through the roof.

See, simples innit?
 

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